Greeks involved in wars

[Giorikas]

Thats not true!!!

WW-1 happened in Ottoman soil and whole middle-east re-formed after the war. Western powers with Russia was the aggressors and they occupied whole middle-east, therefore Ottoman Empire had no other choice but allying with Germany. It wasn't something voluntarily done.

Turkey chose Germany's side through a secret treaty on the second of August 1914 and then ordered a general mobilization the next day. In October Turkey shelled Russian ports using German ships with German crew but officially under neutral Turkish flag.

That is how all this happened. There is no need to play the victim. Of course there were already excellent relations with Germans, and they consequently played their part in the genocide on the Armenians.

Having said all that, I have no doubt that Turks fought bravely same time but that is not the point here. WW I on Turkish soil was not something that came out of nowhere.

[Giorikas]

I dont care, the Turks battled all alone, you guys joined the imperial forces to hurt us.

Turks always hurt Greeks in war thats a fact, you know why the Turkish army came to Cyprus? because you were hurting the Turkish Cypriots, we are not interested in a war with you guys, because you guys are just nothing but cowards.

Just ask yourself why Greece cant do shit to Macedonia, the Turkish army is waiting there if something is gonna happen.

Well actually, in Cyprus, the Greek army did not play a significant role (as ordered by the major powers) so yeah, real impressive to beat a tiny Greek Cypriot 'army' after all those preparations.

Let us not forget the Turkish forces who declared war on the axis powers, I believe 1 day before WW 2 was ended.

[Ottoman]

Turks risked their lives to save jews from the gas chambers.

[Onur]

Well actually, in Cyprus, the Greek army did not play a significant role (as ordered by the major powers) so yeah, real impressive to beat a tiny Greek Cypriot 'army' after all those preparations.

Sometimes i cant understand you Greeks. Are you either trying to twist the truth or you are just ignorant.

Giorikas, Colonel`s junta sent about 20.000 soldiers from Greece to Cyprus and add few 1000 EOKA terrorists to them. First thing they did was trying to assassinate Greek Cypriot PM Makarios and he managed to escape in the last minute but your fascist soldiers demolished the parliament and Makarios`s presidential building with tanks and rockets since that was the reason they came to Cyprus, to demolish the 1960`s united Cyprus with Greeks and Turks and that parliament building was it`s representation.

Then they started to hunt Greek Cypriots who were against the fascist coup d`etat. They killed 100s of Greeks and called them filthy communists. Then they lock down about 20.000 Turks in to the death camps and killed some of them.

All that wasn't significant to you?


Ofc their one week reign of terror ended when Turkish army came to the island cuz they couldn't dare to defy us and they escaped. So, we took %40 of the island in 48 hours and we could get whole of it at the next day but our soldiers gone there to protect our people, not to invade whole island unlike Greek colonels aimed for. Otherwise Turkey could easily get whole island in a day, who could have stop us if we would have wanted to?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Sometimes i cant understand you Greeks

Well, if they ever figure out what they are (chorba) maybe they can also begin to understand?

[Giorikas]

Sometimes i cant understand you Greeks. Are you either trying to twist the truth or you are just ignorant.

Giorikas, Colonel`s junta sent about 20.000 soldiers from Greece to Cyprus and add few 1000 EOKA terrorists to them. First thing they did was trying to assassinate Greek Cypriot PM Makarios and he managed to escape in the last minute but your fascist soldiers demolished the parliament and Makarios`s presidential building with tanks and rockets since that was the reason they came to Cyprus, to demolish the 1960`s united Cyprus with Greeks and Turks and that parliament building was it`s representation.

Then they started to hunt Greek Cypriots who were against the fascist coup d`etat. They killed 100s of Greeks and called them filthy communists. Then they lock down about 20.000 Turks in to the death camps and killed some of them.

All that wasn't significant to you?


Ofc their one week reign of terror ended when Turkish army came to the island cuz they couldn't dare to defy us and they escaped. So, we took %40 of the island in 48 hours and we could get whole of it at the next day but our soldiers gone there to protect our people, not to invade whole island unlike Greek colonels aimed for. Otherwise Turkey could easily get whole island in a day, who could have stop us if we would have wanted to?

Onur, check your numbers. The number of Greek Cypriots combined with Greek regulars was by far inferior to the invading Turkish forces. This was not a war between Greece and Turkey otherwise things would have seriously escalated. The US would not let that happen. I believe that is obvious.

[George S.]

Obur i know for a fact that not many greek cypriots are happy with mainland greece.The fact is despite what they tried to do they weren't seen as genuine by the greek cypriots.Also mainland greece does not get zilch respect because it wan'ts to be at loggerheads with the cypriot greek government who don't want anything to do with them.
Mainland greece want's total control etc of cyprus.

[julie]

I find it interesting when speaking to natives from Cyprus. They never identify solely as Greek, but as Greek-cypriot, and are generally sympathetic to the Macedonian cause.

[Bill77]

Here is something interesting. Read the Table bellow, and then tell me,

Would the facts Re Hellenic Republic treatment towards the Macedonians,(During 1912-Today) meet any of the definition of Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide?

Definition of genocide

Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

[makedonche]

Here is something interesting. Read the Table bellow, and then tell me,

Would the facts Re Hellenic Republic treatment towards the Macedonians,(During 1912-Today) meat any of the definition of Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide?

Definition of genocide

Bill77
All counts in the article/definition apply to Greece when it comes to the Macedonians!

[Bill77]

Bill77
All counts in the article/definition apply to Greece when it comes to the Macedonians!

in that case, the US are signatories (so would Greece) to this convention, why is it not pushed for recognition of such acts against Macedonians, the same way Obama has recognised recently, the Ottoman empire's treatment of Armenian's which according to the current administration, meats the definition of article 2.

[makedonche]

in that case, the US are signatories (so would Greece) to this convention, why is it not pushed for recognition of such acts against Macedonians, the same way Obama has recognised recently, the Ottoman empire's treatment of Armenian's which according to the current administration, meats the definition of article 2.

Bill77
Because wer'e too piss weak to stand up for ourselves!

[Bill77]

Bill77
Because wer'e too piss weak to stand up for ourselves!

I am not sure if its that we are not capable to stand up for ourselves, i think its more got to do with interest. We are either to busy fantasising about becoming Europeans and dangerously forgetting our past, or giving away medals (UMD) to unwarranted US senators that can make noise (but don't) on our behalf just like certain members do on behalf of Greeks and Armenian's.

[makedonche]

I am not sure if its that we are not capable to stand up for ourselves, i think its more got to do with interest. We are either to busy fantasising about becoming Europeans and dangerously forgetting our past, or giving away medals (UMD) to unwarranted US senators that can make noise (but don't) on our behalf just like certain members do on behalf of Greeks and Armenian's.

Bill77
I think Pelister has the right take on this - restore national pride by removing the fyrom name, simply by going to the UN and telling them this is who we are full stop - wer'e not interested in what anyone else thinks! This would instill a sense of pride and being amongst our people and give them something to stand up for, unlike those who hand out awards to someone for supposedly helping us! We can do this on our own without help and without arselicking!

[George S.]

Julie i find many greeks who are cypriots & who support the macedonians & understand us in our trouble with greece.They blame greece for the problems.I heard one cypriot say how funny it is the greeks think that the whole agean is there's but how come they only stepped in it after 1913 why wasn't it there's before.
Also the cypriots hate the mainland because they don't listen & are megalomaniacs.