The Greek "province" of Macedonia, fact or fiction?

[Daskalot]

I will bump this thread because there is no PROVINCE of MACEDONIA within GREEK borders!!!

All NEWS MEDIA shall adhere to this FACT!

[Risto the Great]

An important reminder.
Dear readers, please remind any journalist that perpetuates the myth that a province in Greece is actually called Macedonia by Greeks.

[johnMKD]

That's correct. I'm citing from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece#...nd_prefectures

"Administratively, Greece consists of thirteen peripheries subdivided into a total of fifty-one prefectures (nomoi, singular Greek: nomos). There is also one autonomous area, Mount Athos (Greek: Agio Oros, "Holy Mountain"), which borders the periphery of Central Macedonia."

Macedonia as a whole exists only as a geographical periphery and not as an administrative one. Administratively it is subdivided in three: Western, Central and Eastern, with the last one comprising a periphery along with Western Thrace.

By the way, province (again administratively speaking) is in Greece a subdivision of the prefecture. For example, one prefecture (nomos) can have 2-5 provinces within it.

[Struja]

That's correct. I'm citing from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece#...nd_prefectures

"Administratively, Greece consists of thirteen peripheries subdivided into a total of fifty-one prefectures (nomoi, singular Greek: nomos). There is also one autonomous area, Mount Athos (Greek: Agio Oros, "Holy Mountain"), which borders the periphery of Central Macedonia."

Macedonia as a whole exists only as a geographical periphery and not as an administrative one. Administratively it is subdivided in three: Western, Central and Eastern, with the last one comprising a periphery along with Western Thrace.

By the way, province (again administratively speaking) is in Greece a subdivision of the prefecture. For example, one prefecture (nomos) can have 2-5 provinces within it.

Therefore: there is no Povince Of Macedonia within Greece! lol

[Risto the Great]

That's correct. I'm citing from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece#...nd_prefectures

"Administratively, Greece consists of thirteen peripheries subdivided into a total of fifty-one prefectures (nomoi, singular Greek: nomos). There is also one autonomous area, Mount Athos (Greek: Agio Oros, "Holy Mountain"), which borders the periphery of Central Macedonia."

Macedonia as a whole exists only as a geographical periphery and not as an administrative one. Administratively it is subdivided in three: Western, Central and Eastern, with the last one comprising a periphery along with Western Thrace.

By the way, province (again administratively speaking) is in Greece a subdivision of the prefecture. For example, one prefecture (nomos) can have 2-5 provinces within it.

Exactly John.
So what you are saying is a province is in fact smaller than a periphery. And we have no periphery called "Macedonia" in Greece. I think I have the answer, my pre-Dedo's backyard in Dolno Kotori is in fact the province of Macedonia that Greece is referring to. All 10 square metres of it.

The problem here is that when Greece fails on technicalities it then proceeds to get emotional about some people's perception of history which has equal rebuttals.

[johnMKD]

Exactly John.
So what you are saying is a province is in fact smaller than a periphery. And we have no periphery called "Macedonia" in Greece. I think I have the answer, my pre-Dedo's backyard in Dolno Kotori is in fact the province of Macedonia that Greece is referring to. All 10 square metres of it.

The problem here is that when Greece fails on technicalities it then proceeds to get emotional about some people's perception of history which has equal rebuttals.

This is exactly what I meant Risto. So, if someone refers to a geographical periphery, that's fine, but not to an administrative one. Provinces can sometimes be very small, even smaller than 40,000 inhabitants.

And yes, the "emotional" part is what they have been exploiting for sure, with a strong dose of propaganda added to it.

[Daskalot]

John, which are the geographical peripheries in Greece?

[Spartan]

Here you go Daskalot



1 Attica Athens
2 Central Greece Lamia
3 Central Macedonia Thessaloniki
4 Crete Heraklion
5 East Macedonia and Thrace Komotini
6 Epirus Ioannina
7 Ionian Islands Corfu
8 North Aegean Mytilene
9 Peloponnese Kalamata
10 South Aegean Ermoupoli
11 Thessaly Larissa
12 West Greece Patras
13 West Macedonia

[Daskalot]

Here you go Daskalot



1 Attica Athens
2 Central Greece Lamia
3 Central Macedonia Thessaloniki
4 Crete Heraklion
5 East Macedonia and Thrace Komotini
6 Epirus Ioannina
7 Ionian Islands Corfu
8 North Aegean Mytilene
9 Peloponnese Kalamata
10 South Aegean Ermoupoli
11 Thessaly Larissa
12 West Greece Patras
13 West Macedonia

Thank you Spartan, but those are the same as the Administrative ones. So there are no geographical peripheries in Greece?

[Spartan]

^^Sorry, I must of misunderstood.

There are 10 geographical regions -

1.Thrace
2.Macedonia
3.Thessaly
4.Epirus
5.Central Greece
6.Attica
7.Peloponnese
8.Aegean Islands
9.Ionian Islands
10.Crete

[Daskalot]

^^Sorry, I must of misunderstood.

There are 10 geographical regions -

1.Thrace
2.Macedonia
3.Thessaly
4.Epirus
5.Central Greece
6.Attica
7.Peloponnese
8.Aegean Islands
9.Ionian Islands
10.Crete

Ok, no problem Spartan.

[johnMKD]

^^Sorry, I must of misunderstood.

There are 10 geographical regions -

1.Thrace
2.Macedonia
3.Thessaly
4.Epirus
5.Central Greece
6.Attica
7.Peloponnese
8.Aegean Islands
9.Ionian Islands
10.Crete

To the best of my knowledge Attica is not an autonomous geographical region, but part of "Central Greece" region, which in Greek by the way it means "Solid Greece" (=Sterea Ellas). I wonder why...

[Spartan]

^^I remember learning Attica was one of the regions when i was in school....but for some reason I am remembering 9 regions, and not 10.

[johnMKD]

I also remember 9 regions. Maybe Attica is newly placed, as they always change these things in Greek schools. Greek educational system sucks...

[Daskalot]

Please allow me to quote Wikipedia from where the above information is taken from.

The regions (Greek: γεωγραφικά διαμερίσματα, lit. geographic departments) are the traditional (and official until the 1987 administrative reform[1]) subnational divisions of Greece. The regions are still widely referred to in non-official contexts and in daily discourse. There are 10 regions[2] (seven on the mainland and three island groups), which are further subdivided into 54 prefectures.

They are used in non-official contexts.
So if anyone should refer the the region of Macedonia within Greece it should be referred to as; The geographic department of Macedonia.
And only in a non-official manner.
Because the official administration of the country is by its PERIPHERIES.