The Greek "province" of Macedonia, fact or fiction?

[Alpha]

Geee Thats a convincing argument.lol ok You win.lol

The ICJ will think so.

[Bill77]

We spoke before. I had a different nick on here.

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I know chicagoan..... Different Nick but same shit coming out of you.

[Alpha]

There is no provice in Greece called Macedonia, period !!

We have councils here is Australia that perform the same functions that you highlight above Alpha. Therefore a council is not a province and visa versa.

Oh and you want a compromise on the name issue, then put NEW infront of Greece, then we may start to meet half way in the unscrupuleous name negotiations.

Did you read the definition of the word "province" ?
The answer is right there. Do you think after over 15 yrs nobody thought to bring this up ? Its a mute argument.

[Alpha]

I know chicagoan..... Different Nick but same shit coming out of you.

Just discussing politics Bill. Thats it.

[Daskalot]

• Was that the time that your currency had the tower of thessaloniki on it ?

• Star of Vergina on your flag ?

• Dropping the " Socialist " word to just ROM ?

Our currency never had the tower on it, you have been duped to think so, it was a PR stunt pulled by a political party in the Republic, I think it was VMRO. Thus it was fake money and never in circulation. Would you care to tell us the name of Vergina prior to its renaming post 1913?
So Greece would not have objected if SROM would have been used?

[Alpha]

Our currency never had the tower on it, you have been duped to think so, it was a PR stunt pulled by a political party in the Republic, I think it was VMRO. Thus it was fake money and never in circulation. Would you care to tell us the name of Vergina prior to its renaming post 1913?
So Greece would not have objected if SROM would have been used?

Daskale, that PR stunt was really a poor decision.
Regardng Vergina, is renaming a city to its original name a conspiracy ?
I dont know if greece would of accepted SROM, but surely you would of been in a better position right now if you didnt drop that prefix. Apparantly some ppl in your govt at the time did not try to hide at all their ulterior motives.

[Bill77]

Daskale, that PR stunt was really a poor decision.
Regardng Vergina, is renaming a city to its original name a conspiracy ?
I dont know if greece would of accepted SROM, but surely you would of been in a better position right now if you didnt drop that prefix. Apparantly some ppl in your govt at the time did not try to hide at all their ulterior motives.

So now that you know it was not a curency and your explanation for it being a reason for embargo is incorect and you pulled it out of your ass. Admit it now

[Alpha]

im just taking Daskalots word for it.
I can just as much assume it didnt have a chance to make it to circulation as well.
Once you start with these types provactive PR stunts it can easily blow out of proportion. Hell, we almost had a war with turkey regarding the imia island rocklets.
All because of bad PR stunts done by both sides and political posturing.

[Bill77]

im just taking Daskalots word for it.
I can just as much assume it didnt have a chance to make it to circulation as well.
Once you start with these types provactive PR stunts it can easily blow out of proportion. Hell, we almost had a war with turkey regarding the imia island rocklets.
All because of bad PR stunts done by both sides and political posturing.

it is out of the curency was there or it was not. Now wipe that dribble off and respond. was the curency there and proove it is not yours and Greece propaganda or imagination? or admit you and your country pluck things out of your ass holes. one or the other. do you wanna frigan phone a friend????

[Alpha]

Bill, cmon man. Just google the damn banknote. We didnt just pull it out of thin air. Daskalot said it was a PR stunt, i did not want to escalate the issue so i took his word for it. That doesnt change the fact that it created problem.

What about Gruevski laying a wreath on the map of " Macedonia ". Did i happen to dream that as well ? Its a series of politcal blunders constantly being made by ROM that is the problem.

[Daskalot]

im just taking Daskalots word for it.
I can just as much assume it didnt have a chance to make it to circulation as well.
Once you start with these types provactive PR stunts it can easily blow out of proportion. Hell, we almost had a war with turkey regarding the imia island rocklets.
All because of bad PR stunts done by both sides and political posturing.

My word is verbatim, for more information read this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tower_of_Thessaloniki

Banknotes controversy

In the early 1990s, the White Tower became the focus of a major controversy between Greece and the newly independent former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Unofficial "Makedonka" souvenir banknotes created by nationalist organizations in the Republic of Macedonia depicted the White Tower of Thessaloniki, VMRO-DPMNE proposed its adoption. However, the government in Skopje rejected its official use and adopted a different design for the new Macedonian denar, which it issued in 1992.[5]

IMPRES nonetheless printed unofficial banknotes depicting the White Tower,[6][7] which were sold as souvenirs on the streets of Skopje, bearing a disclaimer "this is a souvenir banknote and not for official use".[8][9] The printing of the notes became the subject of a rumor in Greece that the currency of the new neighbouring state did in fact depict Greek symbols — a highly controversial point, given the dispute with the Republic of Macedonia over its name and flag.[10] The notes were never placed in circulation, as they were not legal tender, but the episode nonetheless exacerbated the ill will felt between the two countries and helped to aggravate tensions in the Balkans.[11]


Notes
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5 ^ Roudometof, Victor (2002). "Toward an Archaeology of the Macedonian Question". Collective Memory, National Identity, and Ethnic Conflict. Greenwood Publishing. pp. 64. ISBN 0275976483.
6 ^ http://antikviteti.net/cms/modules/a...icle.php?id=29
7 ^ Sassoon, Donald (1997). Looking Left: European Socialism After the Cold War. I.B. Tauris. pp. 77. ISBN 1860641806).
8 ^ Smith, Helena (31 January 1992). "Gamble of the Macedonia gambit". The Guardian (Guardian Newspapers): pp. 23.
9 ^ Karakasidou, Anastasia; R Brian Ferguson (2003). The State, Identity and Violence. Routledge. pp. 202. ISBN 0415274125.
10 ^ Borza, Eugene N.; Frances B. Titchener, Richard F. Moorton Jr. (1999). The Eye Expanded: Life and the Arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity. University of California Press. pp. 256. ISBN 0520210298.
11 ^ Marks, Michael P.; Peter J. Katzenstein (1997). Tamed Power: Germany in Europe. Cornell University Press. pp. 149. ISBN 0801484499.

So I really think you Greeks should give it a rest in regards to the banknotes, you are spreading propaganda and lies.

[Alpha]

^^^ i understand what you mean. My point is this though...

The notes were never placed in circulation, as they were not legal tender, but the episode nonetheless exacerbated the ill will felt between the two countries and helped to aggravate tensions in the Balkans.[11]

anyway, i know now that it wasnt intended for official use. Understood.

[Bill77]

anyway, i know now that it wasnt intended for official use. Understood.

so you admit you f@&#ed up and you make baseless claims. Thanks, i will save this post for future referance.

[Alpha]

i think your overextending yourself on this one ^^^

dont confuse my ability to converse and admit learning something rather than being a stubborn fool. It still doesnt change my opinion that it was done in bad taste and only helped fuel the fire between us.

[Bill77]

i think your overextending yourself on this one ^^^

dont confuse my ability to converse and admit learning something rather than being a stubborn fool. It still doesnt change my opinion that it was done in bad taste and only helped fuel the fire between us.

from your previous post
QUOTE: "There were many reasons for the blockade. But thats what happens when politicians with no diplomatic experience take helm of a new independent country."

one of the reasons for blockade you sugested on the same post was,
QUOTE: "Was that the time that your currency had the tower of thessaloniki on it ? "

its obvious now that you were wrong so you can change and weasal your way out of it as much as you like. it's clear as a bell what you meant and the bottom line is you f---ed up. i will now move on.