Origins of Albanian language and ethnos

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  • Carlin
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    Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post



    From the Burovic video:



    Last edited by Carlin; 04-27-2018, 10:40 PM.

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  • Carlin
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    Mirko Barjaktarevic, On the common origin of some Montenegrin and some Albanian tribes

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    Last edited by Carlin; 04-27-2018, 10:18 PM.

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  • Carlin
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    From article: http://www.rastko.rs/rastko-al/zborn...ic-sloveni.php

    Простори данашње Албаније, као што се види, били су од VII века наовамо прекривени густом мрежом словенских насеља. Најгушћа насеља су била у северо-западном делу, у Скадарском крају, а затим у средњим и јужним областима у басену Девола и Војуше.

    Процес албанизирања Словена био je дуг и насилан. Словенске групе (села, делови села) одржавале су се, упркос свему, веома дуго. Таквих група je било на истоку ближе Македонији и на северозападу, ближе српским областима. У XVI веку предео Опара, на пример, био je словенски. У XVII веку југозападно од Охридског језера помињу се епископије Гора и Мокра а данас je све ово албанско-муслимански крај у коме je, као и у читавој Албанији словенска реч одавно занемела. Политичко друштвени чиниоци изазвали су ове промене. Али, још увек се може назрети наслеђе које су у културном и другом погледу Албанци примили од Словена о чему уосталом сведоче многе словенске речи које су се очувале и до данас у албанском језику.

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    The regions of today's Albania, as can be seen, have been covered by a thick network of Slavic settlements since the 7th century. The most densely populated settlements were in the north-western part, in the Skadar region, and then in the middle and southern regions of the Devol and Vojuse basins.

    The process of Albanization of Slavs was long. Slavic groups (villages, parts of villages), however, maintained themselves for a very long time. Such groups were in the east, closer to Macedonia, and in the northwest, closer to the Serbian regions. In the 16th century, the Opar area, for example, was completely Slavic. In the 17th century, the episcopes of Gora and Mokra are mentioned southwest of the Ohrid Lake. Today, this is completely an Albanian-Muslim region, in which, as well as throughout Albania, the Slavic word went silent a long time ago. Political societal factors have caused these changes. But it is still possible to see the legacy that the Albanians received from the Slavs in a cultural and other ways, as evidenced by many Slavic words that have been preserved in the Albanian language up to the present day.

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  • tchaiku
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    The author just gave a theory based on the Aromanian influence of the Albanian language. I personally have nothing against this theory but I am just being objective.

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  • Liberator of Makedonija
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    Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
    Vladimir Orel:


    --> Albanians originate from North Of The Danube, from around the Carpathian Mountains and the Beskidy (The Beskids or Beskid Mountains is a traditional name for a series of mountain ranges in the Carpathians, stretching from the Czech Republic in the west along the border of Poland with Slovakia up to Ukraine in the east.)

    --> Albanians are evidently not Ancient Illyrians.
    Doesn't the Slav Migration Theory also suggest this?

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  • Carlin
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    Vladimir Orel:


    --> Albanians originate from North Of The Danube, from around the Carpathian Mountains and the Beskidy (The Beskids or Beskid Mountains is a traditional name for a series of mountain ranges in the Carpathians, stretching from the Czech Republic in the west along the border of Poland with Slovakia up to Ukraine in the east.)

    --> Albanians are evidently not Ancient Illyrians.
    Last edited by Carlin; 04-11-2018, 03:58 PM.

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  • Carlin
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    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
    I have an interesting image to share but it exceeds the data limit. Can I get some assistance? I suck with putting photos up in these forums.
    Try imgur.

    Imgur: The magic of the Internet


    It's easy to sign up. You can drag and drop images onto your Images page there. To share images Copy the link beside 'Linked BBCode'.

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  • Liberator of Makedonija
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    I have an interesting image to share but it exceeds the data limit. Can I get some assistance? I suck with putting photos up in these forums.

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  • Carlin
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    Паскал Миљо: Скендербег е Словен и се борел за одбрана на христијанството

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  • Carlin
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    The Albanian 'Byzantine' battalions of Mirdita in Northern Albania: MARDAITES-MOURTATOI-MIRDITE.


    The decarchia Mardatorum, referring to a region under taxation in Corfu, and mentioned in an official decree issued by the despot Michael II of Epirus (chrysoboullon, 1246), has been regarded as evidence of the installation of the Mardaites on the island.

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    The Ionian Islands stretch south from the Adriatic, where Corfu’s Pantokrator mountain overlooks Albania across narrow straits, along the western coast of mainland Greece through Paxi, Kephalonia, Ithaca, Lefkada and Zakynthos, to Kythira, midway between Athens and Crete. Three crucial sea-battles were fought here – Sybota (the first recorded), Actium and Lepanto – an indication of the Ionians’ role as an East-West crossroads, between Western Christendom and the Orthodox and Islamic East.Ruled by Venice in her Stato da Mar (sea-empire), the islands became an independent state, as the Septinsular Republic and then, under British Protection, as the United States of the Ionian Islands. Before the mainland Greeks had a State, the Ionian people were proud of having a university – from 1824 – in Corfu town, a World Heritage Site. The islands were united with the Kingdom of Greece in 1864 – the first addition to its territory.This book (with over thirty illustrations) explores the history, archaeology, languages, customs and culture of the Ionian Islands. Without venturing far from the islands, readers will learn much about this distinctive part of the Mediterranean and Greek world. The chapters range from the mythology of the Bronze Age (Homer’s Scheria, where Odysseus startled Nausicaa as she bathed) to today, concentrating particularly on the British Protectorate (1815–1864). One, illustrated by contemporary maps, deals with descriptions of the islands by a fourteenth-century Venetian writing in Latin. The roles of Jews, Souliot refugees, Greek revolutionaries, rebel peasants in Cephalonia, and workers in Corfu’s port suburb of Mandouki are examined in detail. There are contributions on religion and philosophy, as well as literature, music, painting, and the folk-art of carved walking-canes.

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  • Carlin
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    Anton Westermann (18 June 1806, Leipzig – 24 November 1869, Leipzig) was a German classical philologist.

    Published works:
    Stephani Byzantii Ethnikon quae supersunt, 1839; (edition of Stephanus of Byzantium).




    ΑΡΒΑΝΙΟΝ ΠΌΛΗ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΝΤΟΥ .. ΑΛΒΑΝΙΟΣ

    ARVANION CITY OF PONTUS, ETHNE ALBANIAN


    In this version it states TO ETHNIKON ARVANIOS (ALVANIOS = ARVANIOS) Page 110:
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  • tchaiku
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    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
    I read that these forms are not always mutually intelligible? Arbereshe especially is apparently very different
    Yes Arbereshe is the most different. Arvanitika is partly mutually intelligible.

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  • Liberator of Makedonija
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    Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
    Gheg is the original dialect, which was saved by isolated Catholic Albanians of North. Tosk nowadays is the standard Albanian dialect and was influenced by Slavic languages. Tosk sounds more like a Latin/Sicilian dialect in my opinion. Tosk and Gheg are mutually intelligible, the root of the words is basically the same. Only some few words are completely different.


    Arvanitika is a Sub-Tosk dialect a more isolated one spoken by the Albanians of Greece. Arbereshe are Christian Albanians fleeing from Peloponnese and Epirus to Italy during the Ottoman rule.
    Arbereshe is to Italy what Arvanitika is to Greece.

    Arvanitika in my opinion is easier to understand than Arbereshe.

    I read that these forms are not always mutually intelligible? Arbereshe especially is apparently very different

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