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  • Bratot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    #61
    There is something like 'most common' haplogroup among the Turks.
    The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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    • chicagoan
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 110

      #62
      You mean Turkic not Turkish. Huge difference. Even in today's turkey... They differ throughout the country. Aegean Turks espescially, differ from the ones in deep anatolia.
      Last edited by chicagoan; 11-28-2009, 10:08 AM.

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      • Bill77
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 4545

        #63
        Originally posted by Bratot View Post
        There is something like 'most common' haplogroup among the Turks.
        Hi Bratot, Regardless if people believe A haplogroup can only give you an idea of where your ancestors were 20,000 + yrs ago, Todays Turk and Greek people are related. Both ansestors 20,000 years ago were the same people. Modern day we call them Turkish, 20,000 years ago they might have been called something else. Again, does not take away the fact Modern day Turks and Greeks are one.
        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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        • Bill77
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 4545

          #64
          The Chronicle of Monemvasia was first used as a primary source for the history of the Slavs in Greece by Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, the German journalist who claimed that the modern Greeks were not descendants of ancient Greeks, But of Slavs and Albanians whose ancestors had settled in Greece during the Middle Ages and had learned to speak Greek from the Byzantine authorities.

          JAKOB PHILIPP FALLMERAYER (17901861) was a German traveller and historical investigator, best known for his opinions in regard to the ethnology of the modern Greeks. Does anyone know anything more about him or have some of his work to produce?
          http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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          • TrueMacedonian
            Banned
            • Jan 2009
            • 3823

            #65
            Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
            The Chronicle of Monemvasia was first used as a primary source for the history of the Slavs in Greece by Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, the German journalist who claimed that the modern Greeks were not descendants of ancient Greeks, But of Slavs and Albanians whose ancestors had settled in Greece during the Middle Ages and had learned to speak Greek from the Byzantine authorities.

            JAKOB PHILIPP FALLMERAYER (17901861) was a German traveller and historical investigator, best known for his opinions in regard to the ethnology of the modern Greeks. Does anyone know anything more about him or have some of his work to produce?
            He's the reason for the accelerated myths of cultural continuity in modern 'greece'. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive...ce-t12173.html

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            • Makedonetz
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 1080

              #66
              Its funny greeks celebrated Kolokotronis as a hero but when they wanted him to be their king he denied so they threw him in jail.
              Makedoncite se borat
              za svoite pravdini!

              "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
              - Goce Delchev

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              • TrueMacedonian
                Banned
                • Jan 2009
                • 3823

                #67
                Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
                Its funny greeks celebrated Kolokotronis as a hero but when they wanted him to be their king he denied so they threw him in jail.
                Source please.

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                • Spartan
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1037

                  #68
                  I dont know about 'being the King' as the reason, but he had enemies in the deep south who were responsible for his imprisonment.
                  The same people were responsible for the assasination of Kapodistrias

                  Lakonians....never satisfied....
                  Last edited by Spartan; 04-22-2010, 07:54 PM.

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                  • Makedonetz
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1080

                    #69
                    Kolokotronis was born at Ramavouni in Messenia, and grew up in Libovitsi in Arcadia. His father, Constantine Kolokotronis, took part in an armed rebellion which was supported by Catherine the Great of Russia, then was killed in an engagement along with two of his brothers George and Harry. Theodoros joined the ranks of a Peloponnesian guerrilla band, and by age fifteen was the leader ("kapetanios", which means captain) of his own group. He had a brief stint at sea as a corsair, and then in 1805 he took service on a series of ships in the Russian fleet in the Russo-Turkish War. After 1810 served in a corps of Greek infantry in English service on Zakynthos, and was awarded the brevet rank of brigadier for his service against the French.

                    Zakynthos is in the Ionian Islands, which were then a British protectorate after being bandied about between Venice, France and Russia during the Napoleonic Wars. Kolokotronis's service in the regular Russian and British forces, land and sea, would provide valuable insights to be used later in his career.

                    Kolokotronis returned to the mainland just prior to the outbreak of the war and formed a confederation of irregular Moreot klepht bands. These he tried to train and organize into something resembling a modern army. In May he was named archistrategos (commanding general). He was already 50 years old by this time, a fact which contributed to his sobriquet O Geros tou Morea which means " The Old Man of the Morea", Morea being another name for the Peloponnese. After the war Kolokotronis became a supporter of Count I.A. Kapodistrias and a proponent of alliance with Russia. When the count was assassinated 8 October 1831, Kolokotronis created his own administration in support of Prince Otto of Bavaria as a king of Greece. However, later he opposed the Bavarian -dominated regency during his rule. He was charged with treason and on 7 June 1834 sentenced to death; but he was pardoned in 1835. Theodoros Kolokotronis died in 1843 in Athens.
                    Makedoncite se borat
                    za svoite pravdini!

                    "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                    - Goce Delchev

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                    • Makedonetz
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1080

                      #70
                      Is he greek or something else?
                      Makedoncite se borat
                      za svoite pravdini!

                      "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                      - Goce Delchev

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                      • TrueMacedonian
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3823

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
                        Is he greek or something else?
                        Kolokotroni was an Albanian. He was a Captain in General Church's Albanian Regiment. He performed an Albanian dance in front of the Bavarian Queen of newly created 'greece' and his role in the war for independence was grossly exagerrated. He had a son named Gianni (Italian name) and then Gianni became Gennaios. Kolokotronis' memoirs were most likely fabricated to suit the new lie of the land.

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                        • TrueMacedonian
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3823

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
                          Its funny greeks celebrated Kolokotronis as a hero but when they wanted him to be their king he denied so they threw him in jail.
                          Again I want to see a source for this.

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                          • Makedonetz
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 1080

                            #73
                            im trying lol to go back in my sources and books. So far bratko i could only find this...

                            Theodoros Kolokotronis and Nikitaras took their vows. .... "The dream of King"

                            i hope we are cool and ill find more information
                            Makedoncite se borat
                            za svoite pravdini!

                            "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                            - Goce Delchev

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                            • TrueMacedonian
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 3823

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
                              im trying lol to go back in my sources and books. So far bratko i could only find this...

                              Theodoros Kolokotronis and Nikitaras took their vows. .... "The dream of King"

                              i hope we are cool and ill find more information
                              Yes find the source and get back to us when you do.

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                              • Makedonetz
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 1080

                                #75
                                Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                                Yes find the source and get back to us when you do.
                                Yes here it is......

                                After the war Kolokotronis became a supporter of Count I.A. Kapodistrias and a proponent of alliance with Russia. When the count was assassinated 8 October 1831, Kolokotronis created his own administration in support of Prince Otto of Bavaria as a king of Greece. However, later he opposed the Bavarian-dominated regency during his rule. He was charged with treason and on 7 June 1834 sentenced to death; but he was pardoned in 1835.
                                Theodoros Kolokotronis died in 1843 in Athens.

                                After the war Kolokotronis became a supporter of Count I.A. Kapodistrias and a proponent of alliance with Russia. When the count was assassinated 8 October 1831, Kolokotronis created his own administration in support of Prince Otto of Bavaria as a king of Greece. However, later he opposed the Bavarian-dominated regency during his rule. He was charged with treason and on 7 June 1834 sentenced to death; but he was pardoned in 1835.
                                Theodoros Kolokotronis died in 1843 in Athens.


                                Brewer, David L. The Greek War of Independence: The Struggle for Freedom from ottoman Oppression and the Birth of the Modern Greek Nation. Woodstock & New York, Overlook Press: 2001.

                                Kolokotronis, Theodoros. trans. Elizabeth M. Edmonds The Old Man of the Morea: An Autobiography. Reprint. Boston, Holy Cross Orthodox Press: 1984.
                                Makedoncite se borat
                                za svoite pravdini!

                                "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                                - Goce Delchev

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