Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

[Rogi]

This stuff is amazing.

Surely the original 1920 census results/data is available somewhere. How can we get our hands on this?

[Pelister]

I'm also impressed with the conclusions drawn by Judith T. Irvine and Susan Gal in the book "Linguistic Anthropology...".

What really stands out for me is the kind of mischief the New Greeks got up to. The authors say that the erasure of a long term Macedonian presence, and language, had been at first "benign" but became more prominent with time. They actually bring to light some of the clever techniques the New Greeks employed to distort the state of things in Macedonia.

They say that

A speculative history was iconically projected

, by the New Greeks in Macedonia, and that the New Greeks were

Clearly driven by political motives

.

Has anyone ever asked themselves the question - how have the Greeks erased the ethnic Macedonians ? Well, this article provdes us with some insights. We get a look at some of the clever ploys and gambits used by the New Greeks, and learn something about how they were able to distort the state of things on the ground, in the part of Macedonia they had invaded and currently ocupied.

[Pelister]

Great work TM.

[TrueMacedonian]

Thanks Pelister. I have some more info on the Albanians fudging their numbers in Macedonia.


page 228

[Pelister]

All the statistics indicate that about 90% of all Albanians living in Macedonia today, arrived or are descended from Albanians who have arrived in the last 60 years.

[George S.]

After the second war heaps of fanatical muslims were kicked out of albania to go to macedonia,serbia & kosovo.Frankly Pelister the stats don't surprise me as they seem pretty correct.These Albanians are fanatical & they believe in the greater glory for albania.Today you hardly see the mosques in albania as they are mostly abroad.The albanians in albania have become catholics.
george s

[osiris]

from 8% to self declared 25% in 50 years is this actually possible without migration.
its a 300% in crease and albanians have migrated out of macedonia too, to us canada and autralia to name a few.
australia in that same preiod despite being a big net migration nation only managed 100% increase from around 10 in the fifites to 20 plus million now.
its clearly not a question of if, but how much of the albanian increase was due to migration to macedonia most likely from kossovo and albania.

[TrueMacedonian]

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page 80


The passages above are not at all mind boggling. Macedonia was seen as a very rich country while 'greece' was nothing more than a barren wasteland soon to be swarming with Albanians and Vlachs at every corner.

[TrueMacedonian]

[TrueMacedonian]

Map Courtesy of the book History of the Balkan Peninsula by Ferdinand Schevill (1922).

Note that even if we accept this map as a primer for how it was in the Balkan Peninsula and that there were ethnic "greeks" in Macedonia then their numbers are simply irrelevant. And two important races are missing in this equation. The Vlachs and the Jews. And obviously we don't need to elaborate on how much of the population was actually hellenized. The last four pages on this topic give a good detail on that.

My apologies if the map is shabby. Anyone out there with a clearer version please post it up.

[Risto the Great]

Ummm, lots of Albanians around Athens .... .

[Soldier of Macedon]

Edmond About is an interesting source. He spent some time in Athens' French school after his college carrer, before returning to France in 1853, where he wrote his book on Greece, La Grèce contemporaine a couple of years later. The below quote is revealing:

....Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood. Athens has been rapidly peopled with men of all kinds and nations: that explains the ugliness of the Athenian type.

Here is the key points of the above text:

1) At approximately the year 1830 (coinciding with the period where independence was first established), Athens was only an Albanian village.

2) Since then, until the time of About's writing during the year 1855, Athens has been rapidly peopled with men of all kinds and nations.

3) Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica.

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This appears to indicate that prior to the 'men of all kinds and nations' moving into Athens, the region was basically Albanian. And to a large degree it still was, well after the 'men of all kinds and nations'.

[Daskalot]

Map Courtesy of the book History of the Balkan Peninsula by Ferdinand Schevill (1922).

Note that even if we accept this map as a primer for how it was in the Balkan Peninsula and that there were ethnic "greeks" in Macedonia then their numbers are simply irrelevant. And two important races are missing in this equation. The Vlachs and the Jews. And obviously we don't need to elaborate on how much of the population was actually hellenized. The last four pages on this topic give a good detail on that.

My apologies if the map is shabby. Anyone out there with a clearer version please post it up.

Here is a larger version of it, will this do?



I do see Albanians surrounding Athens and I see Vlachs(they are termed as Rumanians according to the legend) in the Pindus also a MAJORITY of Slavs in Macedonia.

Macedonia was never Greek not even in 1922.

[TrueMacedonian]

Daskale thank you for this much clearer map. One can see that if we do go by this map that the imposter hellenes still amount to a very small percentage in Macedonia.

[Daskalot]

When looking at Macedonia you really do see that it has been Greek for the last 4000 years......