19th century Athenian Albanians didn't mind Elgin taking parthenon marbles!!!

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  • TrueMacedonian
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3820

    19th century Athenian Albanians didn't mind Elgin taking parthenon marbles!!!



    Greece demands marbles return as new Acropolis opens
    by Helene Colliopoulou Helene Colliopoulou – Sat Jun 20, 3:39 pm ET

    ATHENS (AFP) – Greek President Carolos Papoulias on Saturday ramped up pressure on Britain to return priceless statues from antiquity taken over 200 years ago as the new Acropolis Museum was opened in Athens.

    The Greek leader reiterated his country's longstanding call for the return of the Elgin Marbles at the solemn ceremony to inaugurate the giant 130-million-euro (180-million-dollar) glass and concrete building.

    "Today the whole world can see the most important sculptures of the Parthenon assembled, but some are missing; it's time to heal the wounds of the monument with the return of the marbles which belong to it," Papoulias said.

    The government says the museum, which dominates downtown Athens under the Parthenon temple, is the physical embodiment of a campaign dating back to 1983.

    "It's our identity and our pride," Papoulias said of the new museum.

    The museum, which had its origins in British jibes that Greece would have nowhere to display what are known in London as the Elgin Marbles if ever they were returned, was designed to host the reunited artworks.

    Greek Culture Minister Antonis Samaras said late Friday during a special advance opening for the media that the new museum space "now demolishes that excuse."

    About half of the Parthenon Marbles -- fifth-century Greek sculptures, inscriptions and architectural columns from the Parthenon and other buildings on the symbolic Acropolis hill -- are intact in the museum.

    Of the remainder, most are held in London's British Museum after they were hacked away in the early 1800s on the orders of a British aristocrat and diplomat, Lord Elgin, under a deal with the ruling Ottoman Empire.

    Replicas have been erected in the new galleries.

    Heads of state and government and cultural emissaries from 30 countries, including UN heritage chief Koichiro Matsuura and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, attended the gala opening, albeit five years late -- it was originally due to open around the Athens Olympic Games.

    The event was staged by Dimitris Papaioannou, the creator of the Athens Olympics opening ceremony, as a celebration of Greek antiquity and broadcast on public television.

    The government also invited British Museum officials despite their refusal to return the marbles. Greece in turn rejected an offer to "loan" them back, which Athens said would confer ownership rights it denies.

    Stepping up Greece's campaign, Samaras appealed to "everyone around the world who believes in the values and ideas that emerged on the slopes of the Acropolis to join our quest to bring the missing Parthenon marbles home."

    Speaking in English, he said their "abduction" and "enforced exile" was "not only an injustice to us Greeks but to everyone in the world, the English included, because they were made to be seen in sequence and in total."

    That was "something that cannot happen as long as half of them are held hostage in the British Museum," he added.

    An international campaigning group said Friday that the 2012 London Olympics would represent the perfect moment to send the relics home, given the origins of the games in ancient Greece.

    The objects were purchased by the British Parliament from Lord Elgin in 1816 and then presented to the British Museum.

    According to the latter, the London collection includes 247 feet (75 metres) of the original 524 feet of sculptured frieze; 15 of 92 metopes (panels); 17 figures from the pediments; plus other architectural furniture.

    Designed by celebrated Franco-Swiss architect Bernard Tschumi, the three-level Athens building offers panoramic views of the stone citadel and showcases sculptures from the golden age of Athenian democracy.

    Set out over a total area of 14,000 square metres (150,000 square feet), it harnesses natural light to show off more than 350 artefacts and sculptures that were previously held in a small museum atop the Acropolis.

    The museum opens to the public on Sunday, and officials said full-house signs had already gone up through Tuesday following Internet reservations, with 11,000 advance tickets sold in total.
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  • TrueMacedonian
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3820

    #2
    Now let's examine the facts about the Elgin Marbles. Here's what scholar William St.Clair states about the Elgin Marbles and of how the modern "greeks" felt at that time. This is something you will not see in mainstream modern "greek" media because,,,,,,well you'll see the obvious reasons why





    And this is what Scholar Peter Mackridge states the Parthenon was used for since 1456 by the Ottoman Turks;


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    • TrueMacedonian
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 3820

      #3
      So according to William St.Clair the inhabitants of multi-racial modern "greece" "do not appear to have minded much at the time or raised any protest at the destruction of their most powerful symbol of nationality."!!!!

      And according to Peter Mackridge "After the Ottoman conquest of 1456, the Parthenon was converted into a mosque, and the bell-tower became a minaret."!!!

      And as we all know according to a plethora of sources Athens was nothing but an Albanian village at this time - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=786

      In my personal opinion Britain should not even loan the Elgin Marbles to modern "greece". They should keep it where it belongs. In bloody ol' England. The marbles meant nothing to the Albanians in Athens then so that means there was no cultural continuity to their own supposed monument. Samaras can talk about his fake identity and supposed abduction and injustice to modern "greeks" all he likes. The facts remain that the Athenian Albanians did not seem to care that Elgin took the marbles!!!! Now stick it where you usually do modern "greeks" and Samaras you ArvanitoSlavoVlach
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      • TrueMacedonian
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 3820

        #4
        http://books.google.com/books?id=IxcbFC ... in+marbles

        According to John Shea's book Macedonia and 'Greece' on page 90 it states - Auberon Waugh wrote,, "the 'Greeks' of today, with hairy popos, flat noses, and bushy eyebrows, are clearly a race of Turkish descent and have nothing to do with the Greeks of antiquity sculpted on the Elgin Marbles."



        The Hydriote Albanians even assisted in shipping the Elgin Marbles out http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA316& ... JMAAAAIAAJ


        Travels in Albania and Other Provinces of Turkey in 1809 & 1810 By John Cam Hobhouse Broughton page 316
        We saw an Hydriote merchant-vessel, of about two hundred tons, anchored in the port, for the purpose of carrying off the Elgin marbles, and she seemed too big for the station.

        This is getting interesting now
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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13675

          #5
          Good work TM.

          The deluded-type of Neohellenes are living contradictions. They will never be able to accept the truth of the times.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Daskalot
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 4345

            #6
            Very good work TM, but our Greek friends will most probably not even comment on this one, they are busy doing this....
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            • osiris
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1969

              #7
              fuck if these fanatics were prepared to change the name of turkish coffee what else but lunacy can we expect from these wannabbe supergreeks. yet when it comes to their theiving its all ok and we should learn to live with it.
              its not just the elgin marbles these arvanovlachi have lost they have lost the marbles that live in their heads and any self respect they may have even had.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13675

                #8
                Every Greek reading this, read it again. And again.

                Most Greeks did not share Byron’s views and would not have understood his allusions. They did not think of themselves as Greeks at all – and certainly not as Hellenes………..
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Rogi
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2343

                  #9
                  And then one more time just for shits and giggles.

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                  • Risto the Great
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15659

                    #10
                    From TM's post above .... unfortunately not underlined .... but nevertheless extremely symbolic of the Greek state of mind:
                    A friend of mine who was doing research on Lawrence of Arabia was naturally thrilled to find a party of Bedouin living in tents in Jordan with an old man who spoke very confidently about Lawrence. It turned out later that he had derived his information from seeing Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif in the film.
                    Very familiar stuff. Where else would the Albanians of Athens have learned their stories from?
                    Risto the Great
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                    • Pelister
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2742

                      #11
                      They (the Greeks) did not think of themselves as Greek, or even as Hellenes, but as Christians and Orthodox
                      Their identity came from the West. It was imported. A piece of social engineering. There was nothing natural or organic, or local about it.
                      Last edited by Pelister; 06-24-2009, 12:09 AM.

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                      • Pelister
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2742

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                        From TM's post above .... unfortunately not underlined .... but nevertheless extremely symbolic of the Greek state of mind:


                        Very familiar stuff. Where else would the Albanians of Athens have learned their stories from?

                        That is an excellent point.

                        Their identity is imported. Just goes to show you how powerful the imagination can be, when its combined with institutions of government.

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                        • TrueMacedonian
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3820

                          #13
                          Thanks guys. The truth is out there. All we need to do is dig it out and show everyone the otherside (the TRUTH) of the story.
                          Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                          • TrueMacedonian
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 3820

                            #14
                            Originally posted by osiris View Post
                            fuck if these fanatics were prepared to change the name of turkish coffee what else but lunacy can we expect from these wannabbe supergreeks. yet when it comes to their theiving its all ok and we should learn to live with it.
                            its not just the elgin marbles these arvanovlachi have lost they have lost the marbles that live in their heads and any self respect they may have even had.
                            It's so true that I don't even know whether to laugh anymore or feel some sort of pity for them.
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                            • TrueMacedonian
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 3820

                              #15
                              Gentlemen I regret to say that me and William St.Clair were wrong. There was one Athenian inhabitant that did say something about the Elgin Marbles leaving Athens at the time





                              But of course he was ALBANIAN
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