Edinstveni Makedonski Zborovi - Unique Macedonian Words (postable)

[Дени]

I finally caught up with him again and he confirmed that the -dim and -din endings are also used for words like beğenmek, so it looks like you were right, the -d in Macedonian comes from one of the below verbs:

So it would be something like beğenmek -> beğendim, beğendin, etc -> bendi(sa).

I came across something interesting from Friedman. I guess the /-d(i)-/ is from Turkish and the /-(i)sa/ is from Greek...

The suffix /-uva/ is also productive in forming verbs from other parts of speech: збор/zbor ‘word’, зборува/zboruva ‘speak’, старт/start ‘kick-off (NOUN)’ стартува/startuva (VERB). Two other productive suffixes are the Greek /-sa/ (Greco-Turkish /-disa/) and the West European (from Latin through French to German to Slavonic) /-ira/. Verbs in /-sa/ are often perfective and form imperfectives by means of /-uva/ with prefixation deriving new perfectives: калај/kalaj ‘tin’, perfective калаиса/kalaisa ‘plate with tin’, imperfective калаисува/kalaisuva, прекалаиса/prekalaisa ‘re-tin (PRFV)’. Verbs in /-ira/ are often biaspectual but show a tendency to be treated as imperfective, with perfectives being derived by means of prefixation (see section 3.2.1): интерес/interes ‘interest’, imperfective интересира/interesira ‘interest’, perfective заинтересира/zainteresira. In some cases, the suffixes contribute to semantic differentiation: критика/kritika ‘criticism’, критикува/kritikuva ‘to critique’, критизира/kritizira ‘to criticize’. While some new loans permit formation freely with more than one of these suffixes, others do not: флерт/flert ‘flirt’ permits the formation of the verb флертува/flertuva but not флертира/flertira (see Минова-Ѓуркова/Minova-Ǵurkova 1966).

[Soldier of Macedon]

In what way (if any) do you think the words zbor (word), broi (count) and bere (gather) are related? They seem to have some sort of connection to each other.

[Дени]

In what way (if any) do you think the words zbor (word), broi (count) and bere (gather) are related? They seem to have some sort of connection to each other.

Збор is deconstructed as *sŭ- + *borŭ (< *brati > бере). This is also how it was spelled in earlier texts: сбор, сборува.

Брои is usually said to be a corrupted form from *briti ("to shave", etc.), supposedly because of the pre-modern scratching of lines into wood to count, write and so forth. This isn't very convincing to me though.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Thanks for that. I agree about 'broi', it doesn't sound convincing. I would have thought the concept of counting (broi) and gathering (bere) more likely (even if distant), but then again, it may not be.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Дени, what is your opinion on the origin of the words змеј (dragon) and горд (proud)? Also, do the words јас (I) and сум (am) ultimately come from the same PIE root *eǵ’hom -> eź’ham, etc?

[Niko777]

I have a word: misur (plate, dish)

[Niko777]

Also pesh (by foot)

[Soldier of Macedon]

Also pesh (by foot)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Indo-European_roots#h.E2.82.81.2C_e.2Fo

It probably developed something like the below:

(foot) - 'PIE' pṓds > 'Proto Balto-Slavic' pėds > Lithuanian' pėda, 'Old Macedonian' pēs > (by foot) - 'Modern Macedonian' pesh

In Macedonian 'peda' means 'inch', but one could also use it to refer to a short distance by foot, like, "ајде ќе му појдиме, само една педа е".

[Risto the Great]

I have a word: misur (plate, dish)

The peasants in the north don't even know what it means

[Soldier of Macedon]

Some peasants from the south need to realise that the Macedonian language extends beyond the broken picket fences of their humble domains in Kotori. Shall we begin?

[makedonche]

Some peasants from the south need to realise that the Macedonian language extends beyond the broken picket fences of their humble domains in Kotori. Shall we begin?

SoM
We shall begin.......Kotori retains more of the Old Macedonian language than any other parts of Macedonia.

[George S.]

peshki wali\king by foot.misurce,pajnca.

[Daniel the Great]

The word 'фати' (fati), to catch or capture. I don't think any other language besides Macedonian uses it in the same meaning. But i did find that 'fati' means fate in Albanian.

[makedonche]

The word 'фати' (fati), to catch or capture. I don't think any other language besides Macedonian uses it in the same meaning. But i did find that 'fati' means fate in Albanian.

Daniel
Ako gi fatam tolgai ke mo kazham fate!

[Soldier of Macedon]

The word 'фати' (fati), to catch or capture. I don't think any other language besides Macedonian uses it in the same meaning. But i did find that 'fati' means fate in Albanian.

The Albanian word (which itself may be a loan from a Romance or Latin language) is unrelated. The word 'фати' demonstrates the common Macedonian sound change хв > ф, which means that some time ago the word was pronounced as 'хвати', like it is in Croatian, Serbian and Bulgarian today. Other words that show this Macedonian sound change are 'фрли' instead of 'хврли' and 'фала' instead of 'хвала'.