Greeks: A simple question

[Venom]

Easy one you'd think, but I've never seen an adequate answer.

Here goes: Why is it that until the late eighties you were not allowed to mention the name Macedonia, let alone call yourself a Macedonian, but now, not that long later, you suddenly are Macedonians?

[Risto the Great]

Christos the Greatos replies:
My Papou named his donkey Makedonia in 1922.
We had a soccer team in 1913 called Makedonia.
We had blah blah ....
.... And STILL we said Macedonia does not exist up until 20 years ago.

[TerraNova]

Easy one you'd think, but I've never seen an adequate answer.

Here goes: Why is it that until the late eighties you were not allowed to mention the name Macedonia, let alone call yourself a Macedonian, but now, not that long later, you suddenly are Macedonians?

Yes ..the answer is easy indeed..



Go ..bottom right...yes! There it says Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ

Guess what...it's the Geography school book of the '70 s !
Greeks were so forbidden to mention the name Macedonia!
It seems what you ve been told it's bullshit..

Now a question for you:
Why are you so easy to believe every imaginary fairy tail ?

[Risto the Great]

You know what TN, you yourself have stated that only the Diaspora remember the problems and how so many Macedonians are now proud Greeks in Greece nowadays. Why do you think this is the case? You might not realise the level of denial of Macedonians by the Greeks in the Diaspora. You see, my people left Greece to get away from the bullshit and glass ceilings, they came to Australia to continue their lives and avoid being "converted". You think we are ignorant in the Diaspora because we do not know what life in Greece is really like. I say I know what life is like there and YOU don't know what it is like for Macedonians who left Greece and avoided the conversion process of Metaxas. The Grkomani (amongst others) continued to repeat "Macedonia does not exist" until 1990 in Australia. Why do you think this is the case?

[TerraNova]

You know what TN, you yourself have stated that only the Diaspora remember the problems and how so many Macedonians are now proud Greeks in Greece nowadays. Why do you think this is the case? You might not realise the level of denial of Macedonians by the Greeks in the Diaspora. You see, my people left Greece to get away from the bullshit and glass ceilings, they came to Australia to continue their lives and avoid being "converted". You think we are ignorant in the Diaspora because we do not know what life in Greece is really like. I say I know what life is like there and YOU don't know what it is like for Macedonians who left Greece and avoided the conversion process of Metaxas. The Grkomani (amongst others) continued to repeat "Macedonia does not exist" until 1990 in Australia. Why do you think this is the case?

So you should clarify that "Macedonia as a term didn't exist for the "Grkmani" until the 90s."
In Greece this part never stopped to be called Macedonia,and its inhabitants Macedonians.(always meaning Greek)

I m not aware about the situation in Australia pro'90 .It sounds to me similar exotic to Indonesia and Cambodia.
On the other hand i ve lived all my life in the Greek part of Macedonia,and traveled several times to RoM(and ex Yugoslavia) and Bulgaria.

I could only assume ,by "there are no Macedonians" ,they meant there is no distinct ethnicity called Macedonian.
In any case this is a totally different issue.

The cut and clear fact is that in Greece,terms Macedonian/Macedonia were never forbidden .
This is an urban myth between diaspora Macedonians,in the same level of the Greek analogy "modern FYROM's region was never called Macedonia,but it was called "Vardarska" ".
Both baseless and false.

[Bratot]

Yes ..the answer is easy indeed..


Go ..bottom right...yes! There it says Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ

Guess what...it's the Geography school book of the '70 s !
Greeks were so forbidden to mention the name Macedonia!
It seems what you ve been told it's bullshit..

Now a question for you:
Why are you so easy to believe every imaginary fairy tail ?

Guess what, you actually didn't have a problem to name our country as MAKEDONIA in your Geography school book of the '70 s

[TerraNova]

Guess what, you actually didn't have a problem to name our country as MAKEDONIA in your Geography school book of the '70 s

I really wonder what this has to do with the original question:
"Why were the terms Macedonian/Macedonia forbidden in Greece until recently?"

Why don't you open a big thread "MACEDONIA AND THE BAD GREEKS" ,since every single thread becomes the same..?Everything about everything..

[Bratot]

Since you cant deny your hipocrisy, say one thing here another elsewhere and so on.. going in a circle.

[Demos]

Easy one you'd think, but I've never seen an adequate answer.

Here goes: Why is it that until the late eighties you were not allowed to mention the name Macedonia, let alone call yourself a Macedonian, but now, not that long later, you suddenly are Macedonians?

Venom,

I went to grammar school in Greece in the 1970s and early 80s and I can't count the number of times I saw the name Macedonia in schoolbooks both in History and Geography classes.

This is just another baseless myth that has nothing to do with reality in the same way the myth about a Treaty of Bucharest "expiration date" got started.

[Demos]

[QUOTE=TerraNova;8530]Yes ..the answer is easy indeed..




What's funny is that, this same exact map was displayed on maknews by some Macedonian forumers claiming that they did not see the name Macedonia anywhere on the map (ie in the brown section) and this somehow proves that Greeks never used the name Macedonia before the 1990s, which of course is nothing more than a myth.

The term Macedonia is right in front of them (bottom right corner), but when you are blinded by hate its tough to see things which are directly in front of you.

[Jankovska]

Haha how was the name used, The Macedonian kingdom of Aleksandar the Great was the greatest but we Greeks on this day have decided to take it away from the Macedonians and claim glory and purity. As of today Macedonia is Greece and Aleksandar is Greek, he spoke Greek and did not fight the Greeks. As of today I am Greek therefore I am Macedonia, blah blah blah

Oh please don't bother replying to me, I just wanted a little rant really, I don't really care about your opinion

[Demos]

Haha how was the name used, The Macedonian kingdom of Aleksandar the Great was the greatest but we Greeks on this day have decided to take it away from the Macedonians and claim glory and purity. As of today Macedonia is Greece and Aleksandar is Greek, he spoke Greek and did not fight the Greeks. As of today I am Greek therefore I am Macedonia, blah blah blah

Oh please don't bother replying to me, I just wanted a little rant really, I don't really care about your opinion

Jankovska,

Alexander the Great's name was never Aleksandar. It was Αλέξανδρος. Feel free to come to Pella to see it with your own eyes.

[TerraNova]

Jankovska,

Alexander the Great's name was never Aleksandar. It was Αλέξανδρος. Feel free to come to Pella to see it with your own eyes.

Demos every other nation has its name for ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ.
For example he is Iskender for the Turks and Arabs.

[Daskalot]

[QUOTE=Demos;8567]

Yes ..the answer is easy indeed..




What's funny is that, this same exact map was displayed on maknews by some Macedonian forumers claiming that they did not see the name Macedonia anywhere on the map (ie in the brown section) and this somehow proves that Greeks never used the name Macedonia before the 1990s, which of course is nothing more than a myth.

The term Macedonia is right in front of them (bottom right corner), but when you are blinded by hate its tough to see things which are directly in front of you.

nice, what nice picture of Greek annexed Macedonia, would you now like to share some facts about what you called your Provinces in Ellada in the 70s and 80s..... which were later turned into the current administrative unit of Peripheries.

[Pelister]

I really wonder what this has to do with the original question:
"Why were the terms Macedonian/Macedonia forbidden in Greece until recently?"

Why don't you open a big thread "MACEDONIA AND THE BAD GREEKS" ,since every single thread becomes the same..?Everything about everything..

Official Greek national position is mirrored in its education. So if its education textbooks were calling the Macedonian Republic, Makedhoniki and Northern Greece, Ellada, it reflects the position of the Greek State.

In an interview with Stoyan Pribichevich a decade earlier, the Greek foriegn minister was clear that "if the Socialist Republic of Macedonia ever became independant, Greece would have no problem with that". So what it shows is that Greek POLICY regarding the Macedonians has changed in the last few decades.

It shows what Greeks really thought of Macedonia and the Macedonians back then; it refused to name its Northern Province 'Macedonia', and how those views have changed. What it tells us is that Greeks themselves did not believe the idea that Macedonia has always been Greek.