Stephen Miller and his anti-Macedonian activities

[Bratot]

Stephen Miller from the University of California- Berkeley says we should be banned to use the name Macedonia, to declare our identity as Macedonians and Greece should annex our territory!


„Greece should annex Paionia – that is what Philip II did in 359 B.C. And that would appear to be acceptable to the modern residents of that area since they claim to be Greek by appropriating the name Macedonia and its most famous man. Then the modern people of this new Greek province could work on learning to speak and read and write Greek, hopefully even as well as Alexander did“



You can read more from this sick psycho:

http://www.hellenicleaders.com/Content/Documents/Document.ashx?DocId=43199

We should wrote a letter to this University with a protest about their fascist prof.


Department of Classics
7233 Dwinelle Hall # 2520
University of California
Berkeley, CA 94720-2520
Tel. (510) 642-4218
Fax (510) 643-2959
email: [email protected]

Department Chair (2008-2009): Professor Leslie Kurke, [email protected], 7308 Dwinelle Hall, 510-642-2054 .


This is his CV: http://classics.berkeley.edu/facCVs/sgm.html

His wife is Greek and he devoted all his career on providing Greek propaganda with ancient history.

[Bratot]

Шеесетина угледни професори од престижни американски универзитети досега се потпишала на петицијата која на американскиот претседател Обама треба да му ја претстави грчката вистина за Македонија. Писмото досега поддржано од влијателни професори по историја, археологија и класични студии и добри познавачи на Грција и југоисточна Европа според иницијаторите треба да претседателот Обама да му ја олесни одлуката врз основа на научни докази да го промени американскиот став за признавање на уставното име. Петицијата е упатена до над илјада професори на стотина американски универзитети, а до македонските медиуми стигнал преку академици од поранешна Југославија.

Суштината на писмото е да се оспори правото на Македонија на сопствено културно и историско наследство. Во него се цитираат голем број на историчари и медиумски написи

Во дописот кој на 18 мај треба да го добие Барак Обама се вели дека во 2004 г. Америка направила голеам грешка со признавање на Република Македонија но дека ваквата глупост сега отишла предалеку и дека е крајно време Вашингтон да ја запре ревизијата на историјата. Според авторите на писмото територијата на која се наоѓа Македонија во антиката се нарекувала „Пејонија“.

Формален иницијатор на петицијата е професорот Стивен Милер од еден од водечките американски универзитети Принстон. На веб страната на милер. Иницијаторите на писмото на својата веб страница бараат историчари археолози кои би ги истражувале докази за историјата на Македонија во контекст на спорот за името.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/ShowNews.aspx?ItemID=52228&mid=1500&tabId=1&tabindex=0

This type of fascistic claims made by a proffesor should be forbiden, that's why I suggest a letter to the University and even to Obama itself since this psycho is sending a pettition to U.S. president to change his position on Macedonia.

Department of Classics
7233 Dwinelle Hall # 2520
University of California
Berkeley, CA 94720-2520
Tel. (510) 642-4218
Fax (510) 643-2959
email: [email protected]

Department Chair (2008-2009): Professor Leslie Kurke, [email protected], 7308 Dwinelle Hall, 510-642-2054 .

[Bratot]

We have to send a protest letter underlining the discrimination and the sign of this "professor" using the name of the University to imply that they stand behind his letter, which is shameless involvment of Berkeley University into this discriminative and fascistic statement.

Two important point:

1. Spreading racism and national intolerance. To explain the role of Greece in the genocide over Macedonians which continue today and to ask the university of Berkeley if they are institution that support racism and national chauvinism?

2. To get a condemnation by the University and to disclaim their involvment in this letter, also to get apology to the Macedonian cummunity living in U.S.A.


It will be usefull to warn them that we will inform the media about their support of the Greek racism and they will have to deal legal conscequences of it.

The key words are: racism, discrimination, chauvinism, cultural genocide, war crimes, national intolerance etc.

[NikodimMKD]

I emailed the university and complained. I asked them to fire this clown and to publically apologize to all Macedonians around the World.

[Volk]

This idiot is openly calling for war

[Risto the Great]

We have to send a protest letter underlining the discrimination and the sign of this "professor" using the name of the University to imply that they stand behind his letter, which is shameless involvement of Berkeley University into this discriminative and fascistic statement.

Two important point:

1. Spreading racism and national intolerance. To explain the role of Greece in the genocide over Macedonians which continue today and to ask the university of Berkeley if they are institution that support racism and national chauvinism?

2. To get a condemnation by the University and to disclaim their involvement in this letter, also to get apology to the Macedonian community living in U.S.A.


It will be useful to warn them that we will inform the media about their support of the Greek racism and they will have to deal legal consequences of it.

The key words are: racism, discrimination, chauvinism, cultural genocide, war crimes, national intolerance etc.

Excellent Bratot.
Please write exactly that to them!

[Pelister]

Every ancient source reminds us that the ancient Macedonians, and the ancient Greeks, were two distinct and separate races of people.

I think that this idiot needs to be reminded of this truth. He also needs to be reminded of the lies and propaganda being published by the Greek State.

[makedonin]

„Greece should annex Paionia – that is what Philip II did in 359 B.C. And that would appear to be acceptable to the modern residents of that area since they claim to be Greek by appropriating the name Macedonia and its most famous man. Then the modern people of this new Greek province could work on learning to speak and read and write Greek, hopefully even as well as Alexander did“



You can read more from this sick psycho:

http://www.hellenicleaders.com/Content/Documents/Document.ashx?DocId=43199

So he is full of shit, cause he states him self that Alexander did learned Greek him self

How stupid can such a MF be

PS. he mention's Demostenes in relation to the Paeionia, why is he skipping the Part in relation with The City States!?

Hypocrit

[makedonin]

Where can I post Email to this MF

[Bratot]

So he is full of shit, cause he states him self that Alexander did learned Greek him self

How stupid can such a MF be

PS. he mention's Demostenes in relation to the Paeionia, why is he skipping the Part in relation with The City States!?

Hypocrit

How stupid can be the others to support him?

Harry C. Avery, Professor of Classics, University of Pittsburgh (USA) Elizabeth C. Banks, Associate Professor of Classics (ret.), University of Kansas (USA)
Elizabeth Baughan, Assistant Professor of Classics and Archaeology, University of Richmond (USA)
Bradley, Keith, Eli J. And Helen Shaheen Professor of Classics, Concurrent Professor of History, University of Notre Dame (USA)
Paul Cartledge, A.G. Leventis Professor of Greek Culture, University of Cambridge (UK)
Paavo Castrén, Professor of Classical Philology Emeritus, University of Helsinki (Finland)
William Cavanagh, Professor of Aegean Prehistory, University of Nottingham (UK)
Paul Christesen, Professor of Ancient Greek History, Dartmouth College (USA)
Ada Cohen, Associate Professor of Art History, Dartmouth College (USA)
Randall M. Colaizzi, Lecturer in Classical Studies, University of Massachusetts-Boston (USA)
Wolfgang Decker, Professor emeritus of sport history, Deutsche Sporthochschule, Köln (Germany)
Michael Dewar, Professor of Classics, University of Toronto (Canada)
John D. Dillery, Associate Professor of Classics, University of Virginia (USA)
Sheila Dillon, Associate Professor, Depts. Of Art, Art History & Visual Studies and Classical Studies, Duke University (USA)
Douglas Domingo-Forasté, Professor of Classics, California State University, Long Beach (USA)
Pierre Ducrey, professeur honoraire, Université de Lausanne (Switzerland)
Michael M. Eisman, Associate Professor Ancient History and Classical Archaeology, Department of History, Temple University (USA)
Mostafa El-Abbadi, Professor Emeritus, University of Alexandria (Egypt)
R. Malcolm Errington, Professor für Alte Geschichte (Emeritus) Philipps- Universität, Marburg (Germany)
Robin Lane Fox, University Reader in Ancient History, New College, Oxford (UK)
Peter Funke, Professor of Ancient History, University of Muenster (Germany)
Traianos Gagos, Professor of Greek and Papyrology, University of Michigan (USA)
Robert Garland, Roy D. And Margaret B. Wooster Professor of the Classics,
Colgate University, Hamilton NY (USA)
Douglas E. Gerber, Professor Emeritus of Classical Studies, University of Western Ontario (Canada)
Christian Habicht, Professor of Ancient History, Emeritus, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton (USA)
Donald C. Haggis, Nicholas A. Cassas Term Professor of Greek Studies,
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)
Judith P. Hallett, Professor of Classics, University of Maryland, College Park, MD (USA)
Eleni Hasaki, Associate Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of
Arizona (USA)
Miltiades B. Hatzopoulos, Director, Research Centre for Greek and Roman Antiquity, National Research Foundation, Athens (Greece)
Wolf-Dieter Heilmeyer, Prof. Dr., Freie Universität Berlin und Antikensammlung der Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin (Germany)
Steven W. Hirsch, Associate Professor of Classics and History, Tufts University (USA)
Frank L. Holt, Professor of Ancient History, University of Houston (USA)
Dan Hooley, Professor of Classics, University of Missouri (USA)
Anthony Kaldellis, Professor of Greek and Latin, The Ohio State University
(USA)
Andromache Karanika, Assistant Professor of Classics, University of
California, Irvine (USA)
Denis Knoepfler, Professor of Greek Epigraphy and History, Collčge de France (Paris)
Prof. Dr. Dr. H.c. Helmut Kyrieleis, former president of the German Archaeological Institute, Berlin (Germany)
Gerald V. Lalonde, Benedict Professor of Classics, Grinnell College (USA) Mary R. Lefkowitz, Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities, Emerita
Wellesley College (USA)
Hugh Lloyd-Jones, Professor of Greek Emeritus, University of Oxford (UK)
Yannis Lolos, Assistant Professor, History, Archaeology, and Anthropology, University of Thessaly (Greece)
Anthony Long, Professor of Classics and Irving G. Stone Professor of Literature, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
James R. McCredie, Sherman Fairchild Professor emeritus; Director, Excavations in Samothrace Institute of Fine Arts, New York University (USA)
Stephen G. Miller, Professor of Classical Archaeology Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Anatole Mori, Associate Professor of Classical Studies, University of Missouri- Columbia (USA)
John Maxwell O'Brien, Professor of History, Queens College, City University of New York (USA)
Olga Palagia, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Athens, Greece
Robert Parker, Wykeham Professor of Ancient History, New College, Oxford (UK)
Karl Reber, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Lausanne (Switzerland)
John C. Rouman, Professor Emeritus of Classics, University of New Hampshire, (USA)
Antony Snodgrass, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, University of Cambridge (UK)
Andrew Stewart, Nicholas C. Petris Professor of Greek Studies, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Richard Stoneman, Honorary Fellow, University of Exeter (England)
Ronald Stroud, Klio Distinguished Professor of Classical Languages and Literature Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Stephen V. Tracy, Professor of Greek and Latin Emeritus, Ohio State University (USA)
E. Hector Williams, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of British Columbia (Canada)
Ian Worthington, Frederick A. Middlebush Professor of History, University of Missouri-Columbia (USA)
Panos Valavanis, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)


[and we hope many many others]

Where can I post Email to this MF

Here you will find his email and much more:

http://macedonia-evidence.org/

Stephen G. Miller, Ph.D. (Princeton, 1970)
Professor (Emeritus) of Classical Archaeology,
University of California, Berkeley
[email protected]

[Bratot]

And where is UMD now?

[Pelister]

I believe it has been shown in a number of cases that the "collective" of historians can also be wrong.

Having a large number of historians "supporting" a particular point of view, or a particular proposition, such as the proposition that "Macedonia is Greek" does not mean they are any closer to the truth. It gives their view some political clout - but that is about it. When a historian signs a petition such as this, you can almost certainly be sure that it is at the expense of the truth.

There is an enormous amount of historical evidence that shows that the Greeks in recent history considered themselves and the Macedonians to be two distinct and separate people.

[NikodimMKD]

I believe it has been shown in a number of cases that the "collective" of historians can also be wrong.

Having a large number of historians "supporting" a particular point of view, or a particular proposition, such as the proposition that "Macedonia is Greek" does not mean they are any closer to the truth. It gives their view some political clout - but that is about it. When a historian signs a petition such as this, you can almost certainly be sure that it is at the expense of the truth.

There is an enormous amount of historical evidence that shows that the Greeks in recent history considered themselves and the Macedonians to be two distinct and separate people.

Pelister,

I am not a historian, but you should write letters to these so called "historians" and educate them about history. From your posts, you seem to have far better knowledge than all those doctorate phd holders combined.

[Bratot]

The money are speaking Pelister, that counts here.

If our diaspora lobby was powerful enough could do the same thing.

[Pelister]

Pelister,

I am not a historian, but you should write letters to these so called "historians" and educate them about history. From your posts, you seem to have far better knowledge than all those doctorate phd holders combined.

I couldn't educate them. I could perhaps highlight some problems with Miller's proposition, and perhaps his politics.

Fact is I have alot of knowledge, but I am not a good writer.

I will say this though about Miller, and the rest of them.

This historian - Miller, is appealing to an institution of historians, which is another way of saying his political issues with the Republic of Macedonia, need the credentials of other historians to have any clout. His appeal in effect amounts to a political campaign not to convince anyone of the truth, but to demonstrate in an underhanded kind of way the apparent universal acceptance of his narrative.

Secondly there is a fraudulent technology inside and outside of modern Greece, which systematically tries to whitewash the diverse landscape of Greece. This "whitewashing" process has been well documented - its been going on for hundreds of years, only now its the Macedonians turn to be erased for the record.

We need to see Miller's letter in the context of attempts by New Greeks to add such emplotments as denial, into the historical narrative of Macedonians.