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Old 12-20-2009, 10:22 PM   #1
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I was given a idea for a thread after someone posted A hilarious Bulgarian send up of a Macedonian song. This would be a good place to build a colection of Music and culture that are ither originaly from Bulgaria and Greece or stolen by our Neibours.


Here is that Bulgarian send up that was posted on the Macedonian Folk songs Thread, enjoj.

YouTube - Ork.Kristal Feat.Toni Dacheva - Tri Kila Banani

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Here is some Greek culture. I showed this to a turkish friend if he had any coments or history about this particulor instrument these sons of s Socrates are playing. Its posible that it is a Greek instrument i honestly don't know much about it. The folowing was his response.

O.o Oh my God! The insturment they're playing is from Trabzon, which was an empire in Anatolia by the Black Sea (I'm not really sure though). And it is a possible that it might be Greek insturment, since the empire named by Turks as Trabzon Rum Empire and "Rum" means "Balkan people" mostly used to define Greeks. But I'm just guessing. Even though, ... See MoreTrabzon is a city now and the insturment may even found after Ottomans take over the place.

OK, bear with me here. Byzantium was Catholic, right? They were pressuring Trabzon to convert them to Catholic from Orthodox. So they asked help from Turks and we gladly agreed (to seperate Catholics from Orthodox even more). And in time they were assimilated. I dont know if the insturment founded before or after the Ottoman "protection" but it is a possibility.

However, there are really huge similarities between Turks and Greeks. They think most of Turkish traditions are actually belong to them, therefore they cant be Hellenic. They are 40% Turk. Ugh, even the thought sickens me :P


Modern Greeks that came from Pontus and Anatolia.

YouTube - Modern Hellenic Culture


PS, i never knew that Grouco Marx was Greek or evan play a Trabzon lol
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:45 PM   #3
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Rum was used to refer to all Christians, especially of the eastern variety (Orthodox). Those Anatolian peasants could have been speaking Armenian or some Semitic language before Otto's Hellenic Kingdom of the 19th century and the forced 'Romanisation' of the Rum millet by the Greek-speaking clowns in robes from Constantinople.

Bulgaria's "history" of music is a joke, most of their older and traditional songs are Macedonian, and they even make copies of later songs too. Many of their new songs are copied directly from Serbia. I remember one Bulgar mentioning the popularity that Ceca has in Macedonia, yet when I questioned him about the concerts that Lepa Brena had made in Bulgaria, he disappeared.

It's the same story time and again, the idiots among the populations of our neighbours never seem to remember their own shortcomings, yet are quick to highlight anything that doesn't fit 100% with their view where it concerns Macedonia. Useless fools who will all become irrelevant as time goes by.
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"So we have essentially the entire national identity built on lies: we are all sons of Socrates (but not gay)."

say no more

Ohhh and there is nothing wrong with it. Each to his own.


YouTube - MISTER GAY GREECE VIDEO 1
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Nice thread.I was thinking of making a thread ,just for uploading Music,whatever kind ,from Rock to anything else,but this is ok,too.

I cant help in Greek Traditional music,since I was never interested in this,but i have some real good Greek Rock Music
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This Guy.... or IT is the Biggest Thing in Bulgaria since sliced Bread. Infact he is also populor in the whole Balkan region. What i want to know is, The language he is singing, is it in Bulgarian. I know Bulgarian is Diferant from Macedonian, But i can't see how we are anywhere near this language like some claim it to be. Honestly, i would understand a chinaman with his nuts being pressed in a vice clearer than this Bloke....woman.....It.

YouTube - Azis - Nakarai me NEW 2009 HQ
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Bill, remember that while some Macedonian dialects may have received outside influence during the Yugoslav days, Bulgarian has received heavy Russian influence since at least the 19th century. I am sure that the Bulgarian dialects from Thrace would have been closer to Macedonian before this manipulation took place, but the literary language of the Bulgarians is based on the far eastern dialects, which, together with the previously mentioned point about the Russians, makes the speech of people like Azis and co., particularly in song, very foreign sounding to Macedonians.

Apparently Bulgarian solidified to near its current form in the 16th century, i'd love to see what evidence they base that on. I would also like to see when Serbian was solidified, and the proof. Macedonians can produce a document from around that time that exhibits words and a language that, when identified with a modern language today, can only be the ancestor tongue of Macedonian, and the similarities, the lack of change, is striking.
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Greece has NO Identity.

It is NOT an ethnic country, but a religious one with many ethnicities and minorities (shall we say majorities) whose rights it does not respect!

Now, Greece is determined to convert the whole Macedonian and Albanian (just to name some) songs and cutoms into Modern Greek, in order to claim Macedonian and Albanian culture, but with it's language. Once the same repertoire exists in both languages, it will be hard to differentiate whose Folklore is was to begin with, and then call Macedonians and Albanians with NO IDENTITY!

Modern day Ethnic cleansing don't you think?



Here is an example of an Albanian traditional song stolen. I am not here specifically to take sides or Defend Albanians. But its alarming how wide spread the case of Greece stealing Folklore and Identity is, and just not The Macedonians are victims.

YouTube - Greece STEALS more Albanian Folklore


Here you will see Greeks remarkably, claiming the “Gajda” as a Greek Traditional Folk Dance.
YouTube - Gaida (Macedonia) - Youth Centre Of Halastra


The Greeks have also taken the Lerinsko oro called “Pushtenoto” as there’s and has gone as far as renaming it “Leventikos”
YouTube - PUSHTENO - LITOS - LEVENTIKOS
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Some good videos of Greek Music ,years ago.
YouTube - STELIOS KAZANTZIDIS - YPARXO
YouTube - Evdokia's zeimbekiko
YouTube - Mitropanos - Roza live
YouTube - Giorgos Dalaras Sto pa kai sto ksanaleo
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Who are the Bulgarians?





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