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Old 10-10-2008, 07:55 PM   #1
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Macedonian Ambassador to Belgrade, persona non grata
Friday, 10 October 2008
Image Macedonia's ambassador to Belgrade Aleksandar Vasilevski has been declared "persona non grata" and should leave Serbia as soon as possible, confirmed Friday the Macedonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
The Serbian Government's decision was presented to Vasilevski in the country's Foreign Ministry, following Macedonia's decision to recognize Kosovo.
Earlier, Serbian ambassador to Skopje, Zoran Popovic handed over a protest note to Macedonian Deputy-FM Zoran Petrov, in which Serbia requires that Macedonia reevaluates its decision to recognize Kosovo's independence.
"The recognition is against UN Resolution 1244 and international law, and Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia", reads the note.
There are no announcements whether the Serbian ambassador will be withdrawn from Macedonia, whether Belgrade will reevaluate the decision on the use of Macedonia's constitutional name in bilateral communication, as well as other sanctions.
Montenegro's Ambassador was also declared persona non grata. //10.10.08
Deteriorating relations with Serbia are now on the cards.

The Greeks must be jumping for joy right now. I never liked the Serbians but they have always been the lesser of three evils. Now that bridge is finally burnt.

And Kosovo is not one step closer to recognizing Macedonia ! What a tragedy this is turning out to be.
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Of course Serbia would expel the Macedonian ambassador. The Serbians have NEVER been our friends politically but we could have played this much more cleverly.

As a related aside .... Do we still have to kiss Serbian arse for immigration matters? Up until a few years ago, we still had to beg Belgrade for these things.
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Old 10-10-2008, 10:02 PM   #3
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Of course Serbia would expel the Macedonian ambassador. The Serbians have NEVER been our friends politically but we could have played this much more cleverly.

As a related aside .... Do we still have to kiss Serbian arse for immigration matters? Up until a few years ago, we still had to beg Belgrade for these things.
They were under immense presssure from Greece to overturn their Macedonia recognition and make it FYROM and never did. In fact they are your godfathers, dont forget that.
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And they still did not overturn their recognition.
Godfathers.
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Give me a break. Godfathers. What the fuck are they to the greeks then? Occasional gay buddies?
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Give me a break. Godfathers. What the fuck are they to the greeks then? Occasional gay buddies?
To the Greeks, Serbians are merely acceptable filthy Slavs.
But the notion of a Slavonic modern Greece fills them with dread and forces them to realise truths that exist about Macedonia. They would rather keep their heads in the sand and deny our identity.
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To the Greeks, Serbians are merely acceptable filthy Slavs.But the notion of a Slavonic modern Greece fills them with dread and forces them to realise truths that exist about Macedonia. They would rather keep their heads in the sand and deny our identity.
Risto your knowledge of the Greeks (at least a part of them) scares me. Are you from greek macedonia? I'm curious. As i 've said in a previous topic , i've witnessed old men celebrating in kafanas in Kilkis the bombardment of Serbia. When i asked them why they answered "Tito was sending against us communist guerillas during the greek civil war".
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Traveller, I have been there 4 times in the last 5 years.Most of my people live in Greece. I think I can comment on many of the issues there from a position of relative clarity. When we discuss our combined family history and their modern identity, it definitely reveals a huge problem with the modern Greek identity. I make many of them feel a little uncomfortable .... like when someone wakes you from a long sleep.

Did you disagree or agree with the "acceptable filthy slavs" perception?
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Traveller, I have been there 4 times in the last 5 years.Most of my people live in Greece. I think I can comment on many of the issues there from a position of relative clarity. When we discuss our combined family history and their modern identity, it definitely reveals a huge problem with the modern Greek identity. I make many of them feel a little uncomfortable .... like when someone wakes you from a long sleep.

Did you disagree or agree with the "acceptable filthy slavs" perception?
In a little part of Greek society yes. Me personally, no.I like them. They are so emotionally naive...Ties between the two people are very close. We were in the same side in every single war. And we 've given them humanitarian aid in the wars with Croatia, the Bosnian Turks and albanians in Kosovo.Now we are pushing for letting them in EU. Greeks always see with one eye the Slavs. We always were the obstacle for them to "wash their feet in the Aegean sea". The big dream of Pan-slavism... I personally dislike from all Balkan states Bulgaria, the hyenas of the Balkans.
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I say f**k anyone who wants, or wanted to, destroy us Macedonians.
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