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Second no, we could not have won in 2001, because we are a nation of cowards.
Your American bias goes so far as to underestimate the bravery of our soldiers in 2001.

You don't know anything about the conflict. You can't even name 5 battles. The heroism shown by our soldiers in some of the battles is praise worthy. I could open a new thread only on that subject alone.
Being betrayed and deliberately sent into an ambush is one thing ... being cowardly is a whole nother thing.
If this was a private chat i would have sent you links of the burned faces of our tortured soldiers.. you deserve to be haunted by them for the rest of your life you ungrateful worm.
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And Russia would have stood by and done nothing -- or probably even encouraged and defended -- as Serbia stampeded into Macedonia.
Speculative. The USSR had fallen apart and Russia was in no position to make any such moves at that particular time, even if it were inclined to do so. Are you aware of any statements made by Gorbachev, Yeltsin or other top Russian officials from the early 90's that would even remotely support your assertion?
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A strong case can be made that they also reined in their proxies from creating further havoc in Macedonia.
They facilitated the evacuation of the terrorists right when the Macedonian army was on the verge of victory. They coerced the terrorists to give up the unrealistic aspiration for a breakaway state but compensated them with an "agreement" which gave them unprecedented privileges that have since degraded the country's sovereignty. Left to their own devices, the terrorists would've been crushed. Who got reined in?
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True. That was a proxy war against Russia. They weren't supporting Greek fascists because of some desire to attack Macedonians. Intentions aside, US and Macedonia's interests did not align then.
I am sure it was nothing personal against our people, but interests aside, their intention was to kill those people on the ground, many of whom were Macedonians. I can't think of any examples of Russian activity in Macedonia that is comparable.
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What are Russia's political positions? They haven't been specifically clear other than to oppose essentially everything the US/West is doing in nearly every Balkan country.
To halt NATO expansion primarily. Perhaps to also decrease the influence of the EU in some respects. Not sure of the alternatives they're offering, but right now, they support Macedonia's sovereignty and are against the name negotiations. The West, which condescendingly refers to the Balkans as its 'backyard', also has a habit of opposing almost everything that Russia tries to do in the region. The South Stream pipeline is one of the more prominent examples.
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Ask an average Russian where their written language comes from. I have. Macedonia means nothing to them (unless they feel like being nice to you).
With so much going on at the moment, we should be more concerned about harnessing Russia's political support rather than the knowledge of the average Russian regarding Macedonian history.
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