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Old 03-09-2010, 10:48 PM   #11
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They are enemies of the State.
Yes they are, yet this is one of the things with 'democracy', weak nations are susceptible to this kind of infiltration.

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Ako ima, shto se tolku zaspani? mora gragjanite od Makedonia da demonstirat protiv najloshata dushman.
Uste se zacuduvam kolku pasiven e Makedonskiot narod...
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:07 PM   #12
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Uste se zacuduvam kolku pasiven e Makedonskiot narod...
And we in the Diaspora are crazy ignorant nationalistic fools according to them. The only difference is we have empowered ourselves by being away from all of that negativity.
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more self hating and slave mentality rubbish coming from the republic, what else is new?
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:01 AM   #14
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Well Said Volk

This is why they brought in the law for Lustracija?
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Old 03-10-2010, 05:32 AM   #15
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And we in the Diaspora are crazy ignorant nationalistic fools according to them. The only difference is we have empowered ourselves by being away from all of that negativity.

Risto, you are saying exactly that what the A1 text was intented to provoke.

Don't make biased comments like that.
If you read carefully the text you will get the broader intention and that's not "against the Diaspora" only but against ALL patriotic Macedonian within or out of the Republic and it is sponsored by one of the bribed private mediums.
And maybe there are stereotipes among us but we shouldn't support separation of any kind like "us and them" among ourselfs.

Pay attention to the last two sentences, this story is only used to put another negation on our history:

Културата е последниот од низата сегменти во кои последниве години, спротивно на светската историографија, се промовира врската на денешните со античките македонци.
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:03 AM   #16
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more self hating and slave mentality rubbish coming from the republic, what else is new?
You want SLAV rubbish?
The Illinden Foundation.
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ZAS, What ilinden foundation?
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:45 AM   #18
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ZAS, What ilinden foundation?
I remember about 20 years ago a group of people in Melbourne tried setting up this foundation, it was touted around here in Newcastle by some SLAVIC Activists, but i do not remember the charter, but it was that bad that the community here DESTROYED it before it started.
Perhaps some members here can enlighten us.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:06 AM   #19
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We have many enemies externally but maybe more importantly as many enemies internally a1 being a prime example. Two other articles there suggest the new name is on and the likely result is going to be much like the Greek guy who is a German mep said a solution where neither side is going to be exactly happy.

Consider the first article


Meeting on behalf of the end of the month

http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=120758

08.03.2010 19:01

Head of Macedonian diplomacy Antonio Milososki confirmed negotiator Matthew Nimetz in March, will call the new meeting negotiators Jolevski and Vassilakis.

This negotiating round, Nimetz will present a new modified proposal for resolving the dispute almost dvodeceniskiot name.

Diplomatic sources in Skopje, but he announced the meeting of the two negotiators revealed that mediator Nimetz will come up with proposals for resolving the dispute dvodeceniskiot. Only know that the new Nimetz proposal will be based on a proposal by October 2008 that envisioned a new name for international use is Republic of Northern Macedonia.

Mediator of the United Nations late last month of meetings in Skopje and Athens have heard the positions of both sides, which are regarded as red lines.

Greek, a name with geographic determinant for overall usage and the Macedonian position that the UN resolutions and the Interim Agreement talks are held only on behalf of state for international use.

Immediately afterwards, possibly new, the third meeting of prime ministers of both countries on the sidelines of the summit of the European Union in Brussels. Proposed a new meeting Macedonian Prime Minister Gruevski.

Greek Prime Minister said nothing against the meeting but that it must be well prepared. Meanwhile the name dispute with Macedonia will be one of the topics under that Papandreou will discuss with U.S. President Barack Obama tomorrow in Washington.

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Ivanov: UN Resolution is a Macedonian Red Line

http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=120616

04.03.2010 19:17

Resolution of the United Nations provides for discussions regarding the name of the state. For Macedonia it is the red line in the negotiations said today President George Ivanov, cutting the state plumbing svoevidniot peak for talks with mediator Matthew Nimetz in Skopje.

"For us red line is what is the resolution of the United Nations. You can not get out of what is already provided. There stands correct formulation should discuss the difference over the name. Nowhere does it mention any identity or language, "said President Ivanov.

State Ambassador Jolevski expected to learn the results of talks on Nimetz in Athens.

Many of the questions in the degree of confidentiality and would not now opened Ivanov said, adding that when that moment comes, the public will be presented all aspects of the problem of Greece with our constitutional name.

The Macedonian Foreign Ministry said the Nimitz was in constant contact with negotiators and Jolevski Vassilakis, reiterating that there is no sign yet of their joint meeting.

Official Athens believes that after several years of negotiations, the positions of both sides iskristalizira that solution is possible, provided it is not necessary political will.

Greece is the solution name with geographic determinant for overall usage. The United Nations mediator Matthew Nimetz in talks after meetings in Skopje and Athens that there are grounds for a decision, despite the obvious differences between the two sides.

Combining past information with these two articles and its starting to look like a mixed solution of the country is North Macedonia and the identity and language are Macedonian but at the same time the Greeks in Greek Macedonia also can call themselves Macedonian. The reasoning being we know there were these people called Macedonians but we also know most of you Greeks are immigrants from Egypt Syria and Lebanon ect who may have merged in and evolved into today’s modern Greeks and we also know the Slavs migrated to the area and probably merged with any original inhabitants to become the people who call themselves Macedonians today hence everybody can identify as Macedonians but the Republic of Macedonia cannot monopolise the name Macedonia thus the name change to North Macedonia. Has it made everyone unhappy yet.

The Greeks don’t want Republic of Macedonia to monopolise the name Macedonia hence the name change but by the same token the Greeks cannot monopolise the name then the part of Macedonia becomes South Macedonia. By doing this it avoids proving absolutely the ancient Macedonians were Greek or other and no one group can lay absolute claim to being exclusively the direct decedents and therefore inheritors of everything Macedonian.

Im not saying this is right im just saying look at the articles and what is this hidden information that will be told at the appropriate time.
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:07 PM   #20
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I have moved this post to the thread greek newspaper severno makedonski…. It seemed more appropriate.
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