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Old 10-15-2012, 02:37 AM   #1
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Default Celebrations of the October 11 rebellions

A pearl of wisdom from Todor Atanasovski, from the Union of World War II fighters:

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"This should be a lesson to these generations. Today in Macedonia, both from the left or from the right side, you always have someone that expects a solution for his problems from someone else. We will have to solve our own problems at home. Take this as our experience," Atanasovski said.
As usual, Ivanov completely misses the point:

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"That is why our membership in the Euro-Atlantic structures, as measures for today’s modern world, comes to us as something natural and well-deserved," Ivanov said in his message on the occasion.
He then goes one to delude and contradict himself:

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"It is thanks to the World War II fighters that we can enjoy freedom today, we can be ourselves on our own land, and we can independently build and decide for our future."
Does anyone think before they speak these days?
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:47 AM   #2
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He really stretched it to get there didn't he!
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:25 AM   #3
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the fyromians are simply letting others decide for them.Rather deciding for themselves they let others do it.But it has all gone disastrously wrong.Because we have started on the wrong foot we are now asked to compromise on our name to get to the higher echelons of the eu or nato.Is this what they mean policy on the run or flying by the seat of your pants.
It's a classic example of not following the footsteps of our war fallen.These people have died for something far more important.The people of today don't even think about what they died for.The people of today do not have the will to fight anymore.
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:48 PM   #4
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"It is thanks to the World War II fighters that we can enjoy freedom today, we can be ourselves on our own land, and we can independently build and decide for our future."
Are my eyes decieving me or did he actually say this? In reality it is the opposite :- we are free to be Albanian dominated, free to be Fyromnians, free to build jamia's without approval and free to let the EU determine our future! With this type of freedom who needs a soverign country?......oh that's right we don't actually have one! Unbefuc*nlievable!
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:54 PM   #5
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I THOUGHT IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT FREEDOM THE MINORITIES WILL RESPECT YOU & YOU WILL HAVE PEACE & TRANQUILITY IN A DEMOCRACY.nOT IN MACEDONIA YOU DON'T.iT'S THE VERY ANTITHESIS,WE BEING DICTATED TO WE TALK OF SOVEREGNITY WHAT SOVEREIGNITY IT'S A JOKE.oTHERS DICTATE TO YOU SO YOU ARE NOT A FREE COUNTRY.lOOK AT THE RIGHT ROYAL MESS MACEDONIA CAN'T EVEN GET INTO THE UN WITH THE RIGHT NAME.lOOK AT THE GOVT CAN'T DECIDE ON ANYTHING WITHOUT FUCKING IT UP.oUR PREMIER IS NEGOTIATING OUR NAME HOW GOOD IS THAT WHEN YOU WANT TO UNDO 1000 'S OF YEARS OF HISTORY & JUST GIVE IT AWAY AS WITH THE SYMBOLS..
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What is wrong with honoring the Macedonian heroes who fought in WW2? They fought against Nazis and most of them saw an opportunity to free Macedonia from Serbia and hoping to free the rest. Those were the ideals and ideas.
What am I missing?
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What is wrong with honoring the Macedonian heroes who fought in WW2? They fought against Nazis and most of them saw an opportunity to free Macedonia from Serbia and hoping to free the rest. Those were the ideals and ideas.
What am I missing?
We're talking about Ivanov's confusion.
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Ivanof doesn't understand what he is saying on one hand thw ww2 partizans fought for freedom etc but makes light work of the need to build like a legacy.Which hardly acknowledges fully what was fought for.
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We're talking about Ivanov's confusion.
Fair point - I've long stopped listening to what that fool has to say.
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