Countries that recognize Macedonia

[Wanderer]

Its not only Australia.I dont see Italy,Spain,France,Holland etc.Basically ,there are still many big European countries to go.

[Prolet]

The major EU countries still havnt recognized us thats true, however i dont believe Sweden has recognized us either and Norway is not on the list which means we should swap Norway for Sweden.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Its not only Australia.I dont see Italy,Spain,France,Holland etc.Basically ,there are still many big European countries to go.

To think that one country can tell another how to identify is deplorable.The problem Greece has created is Greece's problem, not Europe's and certainly not the world's, sooner or later Greece will lose all support in this issue by their co-racist friends in the countries you cited above. This is only a racist crusade for the Greek side, for the Macedonian side, our identity is everything. That is why we will win.

After everything the racists in Greece have done to the Macedonian people over the last century and a half, they should enjoy it while they can, because when the tables turn......Macedonia be merciful.

[Prolet]

SOM, All the major super powers have recognized us what more do you want?? All the Eastern European Countries, we just need 2 more countries to make the 2/3 majority UN vote.

[Big Bad Sven]

Latvia is not on that list, and I am almost certain that they have recognized Macedonia.

I would have thought Armenia and Georgia would have as well.

Indonesia is not on that list – I remember hearing about them recognizing Macedonia many years ago????

[Prolet]

I think so too

[Phoenix]

SOM, All the major super powers have recognized us what more do you want?? All the Eastern European Countries, we just need 2 more countries to make the 2/3 majority UN vote.

Can anybody explain with some certainty how this "voting" process would work at the UN.

I don't understand the purpose of this having to go to a vote...why does Macedonia's identity require somebody elses "vote" for it to be "official"...surely a process exists for obtaining UN membership that is exclusive of ones basic and universal right to self-determination.

Why the fuck would any self respecting individual/country/nation place their identity in the hands of somebody else to 'approve'

Macedonia must move away from this silly concept of 'negotiation' over our identity and that includes equally stupid notions of putting it to a "vote"...

Perhaps I've got all of this wrong but I didn't realise 'sef-determination' was dependent on other peoples 'approval'...

[Phoenix]

Of the top 20 economies (G20), or the 20 most powerful nations, there are 6 who do not yet recognise our Constitutional name.

They are:
Australia,
France,
Germany,
Italy,
South Africa,
South Korea

Australia is heavily influenced by the Greek Lobby (a very difficult position to change)

France is a strong supporter of Greece due to their own (economic and strategic) interests.

As for Italy, I suspect they will be changing their position very soon with Franco Frattini (Italian Foreign Minister) becoming more and more a friend of Macedonia and the Rights of the Macedonians.

I also expect Germany to follow shortly thereafter, with more and more of their politicians expressing support for Macedonia in the 'name dispute' and a growing German interest in Kosovo weighing in on this too.

South Africa is yet to open an embassy or consulate in Macedonia and our relations with them are still undeveloped to any substantial level and their Diplomatic relations with Macedonia go through their Embassy in Athens (an obvious factor).

South Korea (or Republic of Korea) and the Republic of Macedonia have not established any diplomatic relations as yet. Though, once this happens, South Korea is very much prepared to use our Constitutional name (as they already do)
http://www.mofat.go.kr/english/regio...23/1_1299.jsp?

South Africa is an interesting example of Macedonian non-recognition, I believe its a case very similar to the Australian example that can be mainly explained by influence of powerful greek lobby action.

Although the greek South African community is relatively small it has one extremely powerful individual within its ranks...

George Bizos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bizos

[Sovius]

Some excellent points Phoenix. The UN has an obligation to follow its own charter, which acknowledges a nation’s right to determine how it will be referred to internationally. As a democratic nation, the government of the Republic of Macedonia has an obligation to carry out the will of its citizens, who have already stated their position. If NATO or the EU really wanted Macedonia to join as a nation on equal footing, Macedonia would already be in these organizations. The negotiation process is simply a way for western nations to continue to politically validate (seemingly legitimize) the original act of partition. The media keeps stressing that Greece has a region named Macedonia, as well, and completely ignores the initial occupation of Macedonia, itself. Arguments based on the omission of facts aren’t really arguments at all. They have no case. They never did. If Macedonia wants in, it has to cement the partition, itself. Pretty cruel, if you ask me. The UN is constitutionally bound to accept whatever is acceptable to the people of Macedonia. Could someone please explain why a vote is necessary? If France is a member of the UN, then isn’t it contractually bound to accept Macedonia as Macedonia or do they not have to follow this charter? The Socialist Republic of Macedonia was a sovereign nation when it broke away from the Yugoslavian Federation, not a breakaway territory that just appeared out of nowhere.

[George S.]

Skopje _ Macedonia will not set any preconditions for recognising Kosovo’s independence, Macedonia’s Deputy Prime Minister Abdulakim Ademi insists.

His statement came after on Monday Kosovo’s top officials slammed Macedonia’s President Branko Crvenkovski’s suggestion that Pristina should first recognise Skopje’s name ‘Republic of Macedonia’ and complete the demarcation of their mutual border, before Macedonia moves on recognising the independence of Kosovo. Read more: http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/12950

“The President’s statement was politically motivated and was intended to complicate relations with Kosovo,” Ademi said.

However, Macedonia’s Prime Minister and ruling centre-right VMRO DPMNE party leader, Nikola Gruevski was not specific regarding this issue. He only noted that at the moment the government had other priorities regarding Kosovo than the recognition of its status.

Meanwhile Crvenkovski on Wednesday reiterated his stance.

“It is in Macedonia’s interest that the border with Kosovo be marked completely, fairly and on time as well as that Kosovo recognises our constitutional name with no exceptions,” Crvenkovski told media.

Neither Kosovo nor Macedonia officials speculated on a date when Macedonia would recognise Kosovo.

Ademi said that this move requires “the right atmosphere” in Skopje. Ademi's party, the Democratic Union for Integration, is the main ethnic Albanian partner in Gruevski's government.Isn't it quaint they were originally wanting to take over Macedonia completely.

[Phoenix]

Some excellent points Phoenix. The UN has an obligation to follow its own charter, which acknowledges a nation’s right to determine how it will be referred to internationally. As a democratic nation, the government of the Republic of Macedonia has an obligation to carry out the will of its citizens, who have already stated their position. If NATO or the EU really wanted Macedonia to join as a nation on equal footing, Macedonia would already be in these organizations. The negotiation process is simply a way for western nations to continue to politically validate (seemingly legitimize) the original act of partition. The media keeps stressing that Greece has a region named Macedonia, as well, and completely ignores the initial occupation of Macedonia, itself. Arguments based on the omission of facts aren’t really arguments at all. They have no case. They never did. If Macedonia wants in, it has to cement the partition, itself. Pretty cruel, if you ask me. The UN is constitutionally bound to accept whatever is acceptable to the people of Macedonia. Could someone please explain why a vote is necessary? If France is a member of the UN, then isn’t it contractually bound to accept Macedonia as Macedonia or do they not have to follow this charter? The Socialist Republic of Macedonia was a sovereign nation when it broke away from the Yugoslavian Federation, not a breakaway territory that just appeared out of nowhere.

Hi Sovius,

Can I just add to your post that the Yugoslav Federation was one of the founding members of the UN and therefor Macedonia by its Yugoslav Federation association should have greater worth than to be treated like some petty 'upstart' placed at the back of the queue...

[TajnataKniga]

Ironically, having the largest Macedonian population, Australia still does not recognize Macedonia. This is sad.

[Prolet]

Tajnata Kniga, The Greek Population is even larger.

[Bill77]

I don't see Isreal on the list. check out this news report,


PM Gruevski meets Israeli President Peres


"PM Gruevski assessed that Macedonia and Israel share good relations and understanding, with a number of projects realized following the opening of a Macedonian Embassy in Tel Aviv."

http://www.idividi.com.mk/English/Macedonia/572864/index.html

opening of an embassy almost sugests recognition. But would love confirmation and see what is writen in front of the building? "Republic Of Macedonia" or something else

[Prolet]

Blagojche, Israel recognized our name a long time ago