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Old 12-22-2014, 11:38 PM   #191
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Settle its status in the Orthodox world...

What does that mean?

I have no clue about this hierarchy, how does it work?

I thought the Church belonged to the people.

What is above the Orthodox religion's?

Who does the church answer to?
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Old 12-25-2014, 09:04 AM   #192
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The answer seems to be nobody but themselves.
This about sizes things up " The negative attitudes of our dear neighbours will always plague Macedonia."They care about recgnition whilst the neighbours belittle us for asking for a status.
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Old 12-25-2014, 09:35 PM   #193
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Seems like a ridiculous statement to me, as though the release of Jovan will pave the way for the fair treatment the Macedonian Orthodox Church deserves. The negative attitudes of our dear neighbours will always plague Macedonia.
The release of that moron won't pave the way for anything, instead it will demonstrate the weakness of Macedonian institutions. Macedonia's status in the Orthodox world was the same as it was before this moron became a tool for the destructive foreign interests and irredentism against the country. And the Macedonian Orthodox Church doesn't need the 'recognition' of anybody other than the Macedonian people - something that its holy synod needs to come to terms with real quick.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:47 AM   #194
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Greetings... so I was browsing Facebook when I happened upon the page of the "Autonomous Archdiocese of Ohrid" which was created in January of this year. I began to look through the posts and noticed a good bulk of them are in Greek script and link to Greek sources. I thought it unusual but I didn't think much of it (the Greeks ought to show partiality to a church in communion with them despite nationality). Then I went through the photo section and saw an album titled "Macedonia". Naturally, I clicked on it, and to my astonishment what I saw did not relate to Macedonia as of the Macedonians but of Greek contrivances: there are instances of the Greek flag; one has has an image of Pavlos Melas overlaying it, another has the words MAKEDONIA ELLAS sprawled across it, and there are yet others which paint a very clear picture.

After seeing this I was rightfully alarmed and became very suspicious; my mind went into overdrive as I connected the proverbial dots, recalling certain information I've acquired over the years regarding this state of affairs and which culminated in my "epiphany"... I wondered whether our dear "Archbishop" Jovan here might be a plant: an agent of the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood, as it were, tasked with the subversion of the enemy Church. After all, it is ludicrous to believe (as I foolishly did) that the Constantinopolitan Patriarchate would recognise a Church exhibiting an ethnic Macedonian identity. This "archagent" Jovan (as I will henceforth refer to him) has previously renounced his Macedonian nationality, calling himself a "Roman" and catering to the Bulgarian propaganda fetishists by undermining our history. Also, on the official website of the Archagency, among the few parishes they have listed which are in honour of a saint they have the 'Chapel Saint Nektarios of Aegina'. Now, St. Nektarios is also venerated in the Macedonian Orthodox Church, but of all the saints they picked a Macedonian Struggle-era Greek?

Anyway, my investigation into this matter led me here and I am seemingly not the first to concoct this opinion. Thus I thought it pertinent to share this information. The photos themselves can be viewed here: https://www.facebook.com/Autonomous-...=page_internal

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Old 07-20-2016, 10:52 PM   #195
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.....the Greeks ought to show partiality to a church in communion with them despite nationality.....
They were misled long ago and their delusion is now part of their national character. In more recent times, this can be traced back to when some supposed religious "elites" who spoke Greek (i.e., Romaic) started to hijack Orthodox Christianity by injecting their own so-called 'ethnic' self-puffery into a common religion. To be honest, I couldn't care less about their partiality or our essentially inconsequential commonality. Each to their own. Orthodox unity will remain a pipe dream so long as certain groups place their national hatred of other Orthodox peoples above their religion.
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.....there are instances of the Greek flag; one has has an image of Pavlos Melas........
Pavlos Melas, a French-born Epirote who wasn't even from Macedonia and who wrote letters to his wife where he clearly acknowledged the existence of the local language which he himself referred to as Macedonian.
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I wondered whether our dear "Archbishop" Jovan here might be a plant: an agent of the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood.......
No doubt he is a pawn of that moronic "brotherhood". Throughout history, Macedonia has been cursed by treachery from within. Yet, we're still here.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:02 PM   #196
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Thank you for the welcome, Soldier of Macedon. I agree with your assertions, now that I'm aware this ties directly back to the Patriarchate of Constantinople which--with the conscription of Freemasonic groups like Filiki Eteria--effectively "Hellenised" the region and is not at all hesitant to jeopardise the Orthodox faith to fulfill worldly ambitions, things are starting to make a lot more sense to me.

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Вселенската патријаршија преку архимандрит Анастасијадис жестоко го осуди Вранишковски: Уште колку пропаганда треба да трпиме?

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Вселенската патријаршија преку архимандрит Роман Анастасијадис, клирикот на Критската црква, одговори на последното интервју на поранешниот митрополит Повардарски г. Јован Вранишковски, дадено за белградска Политика на 9 август годинава.

Во целост Ви го пренесуваме одговорот на архимандрит Роман Анастасијадис, објавено на веб страницата на Бигорскиот манастир Св. Јован Крстител:

Според авва Антониј: Ќе дојде време кога сите луѓе ќе станат луди и видат ли некој разумен, веднаш ќе се кренат против него, велејќи: ти си луд, затоа што не е ист како нив.

Секогаш кога ги читав нашите свештени книги што ја содржеа оваа изрека на Антониј Велики, си велев: За кое време зборува тука преподобниот? или Зарем е можно ова некогаш да се случи?. Но, еве, уште пред да наполнам педесет години, се удостоив да го доживеам и тоа време, токму сега со сите овие случувања околу Украинското црковно прашање, но и со Охридската црква. Го пишувам ова во врска со неодамнешните изјави на Високопреосвештениот г. Јован, објавени во белградскиот весник Политика.

Ќе започнам со најсрамната изјава, дека во овој 21 век е неприфатливо само една Црква, па нека е и првопрестолна, да одлучува по прашања што се однесуваат на сите други помесни Православни цркви. Тоа би било особено штетно и за Вселенската патријаршија, бидејќи нејзиното првенство по чест не е доведено во прашање, но за Православната црква е неприфатливо првенството по власт. Читајќи го ова, со должна почит Ве прашувам, свет владико: каде и од кого сте учеле православна еклисиологија? Ја имате ли барем површно изучувано историја на Српската црква, на која сега ѝ припаѓате, после Вашето отпадништво од архиереите што Ве ракоположија?

Кога на Србија ѝ беше дадена автокефалија, но и патријаршиско достоинство, лично од Вселенската патријаршија -и од никој друг- тогаш не беше неприфатливо тоа што Вие го нарекувате првенство по власт? И зарем само на Србија? Но, секако, тоа беше во 20-от век! Во овој 21-от век еклисиологијата наеднаш се смени, и тоа сега после двете Светски војни, поточно после случајот со Полска! Како поинаку да го објасниме ова? И уште колку пропаганда треба да трпиме? Колку?

Видете, Ваше Високопреосвештенство: првенството на великата и света Христова црква, за оној што има барем основно познавање, е првенство на одговорност! Не е на чест, ниту на власт! Како првенство на чест го гледаат само оние што однадвор ги гледаат работите и не сфаќаат што значи да си обременет со тешката должност на одржување на благосостојбата на светите Божји Цркви. Тоа е она што до ден денес го прави Константинополскиот. Така е наведено и во каноните, но, што е поважно, се потврдува и од досегашната црковната пракса низ историјата! Нема да анализирам и да наведувам примери. Но, Ве молам, покажете интерес и информирајте се за ова од грчките богослови со кои повремено се среќавате! И немојте со онаа народната моето е мое и твоето е мое. Вие очигледно ја потценувате интелектуалната способност на нашиот народ, инаку не би го терале да поверува дека Вие сте затворан заради грчкиот карактер на Македонија! Бидејќи веруваат во тоа! Наводно дека лошите расколници се борат против Вас и државата Ве затвора затоа што не го прифаќате терминот Македонска во името на Вашата Црква! Од друга страна, Вашето црковно началство пишува и брише со тој термин.

А всушност вистината е ваква државата веројатно вели: Јас сакам да се ослободам од канџите на српската асимилаторска политика, зашто ме гуши, а ти упорно ми ја носиш овде! Но, во Грција тоа го гледаат како мачеништво и исповедништво

Уште повеќе, се радуваме што и писмено потврдивте дека Вселенската патријаршија ги дала овие области на Српската црква, но сепак свесно молчите за тоа кои услови се наведени во Томосот и какви с насилства намеравала да запре Патријаршијата со тој свој чин. Веројатно тоа воопшто не Ве засега!

За крај, времето за кое зборува гореспомнатиот Учител на пустината, е веќе одамна дојдено! Сега веројатно ќе треба да се оддалечиме во пустините за да најдеме разум!
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