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Old 12-27-2018, 06:03 PM   #21
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The argument is that joining the EU and NATO by making a shit tonne of concessions to Greece will bring economic prosperity and security to Macedonia. After looking at the summarised list above the halfwits should just join Greece. Greece is now the de facto ruler. My best guess is the majority of citizens wouldn’t object to being the latest regional addition to Greece.
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Old 12-27-2018, 06:21 PM   #22
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I found a really useful article that attempts to sift through the endless pages of seemingly limitless clauses associated with the Prespa Agreement. It was produced to help people understand the Prespa Agreement better. The basic gist of the obligations on each nation are spelled-out below:

What Macedonia has to do
  • Change the name to Republic of North Macedonia to be used everywhere
  • Change the license plates of all vehicles from MK to NMK
  • For a period of three years continue to change commercial names, trademarks and brand names
  • Change all passports.
  • Change all personal identification cards.
  • Change all driver’s licenses.
  • Change and print new money.
  • Change all official documents and letterheads.
  • Change the names of all official government and government related institutions.
  • Change the Constitution of Republic of Macedonia.
  • Allow Greece to request changes in the event of mistakes, errors, omissions inn the proper reference of the name and terminologies.
  • Prosecute Macedonian citizens who disagree with the Agreement.
  • Remove and change monuments, public buildings and infrastructures if Greece objects.
  • Agree never to use the Sun of Vergina.
  • Agree to call Solun – Thessaloniki and use the Greek names of the changed cities.
  • Revise any school textbooks and school auxiliary material such as maps,historical atlases, teaching guides that contain any irredentist/revisionist references.
What Greece has to do
  • Not to veto/object when and if Macedonia joins NATO and/or EU.
It missed Article 3, clause 4 whereby it needs to spy on Macedonians anywhere in the world and report their activities to Greece.
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:36 AM   #23
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They only thing they are obliged to do, and yet when the time comes they will not even do that much.

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Not to veto/object when and if Macedonia joins NATO and/or EU.
If you let those bastards fool you, well then you deserved it.
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...If you let those bastards fool you, well then you deserved it.
If past history is anything to go by, it doesn't bode well for the Macedonians.

The greeks have consistently drawn concessions from the Macedonian side and have never upheld a single promise of their own.

I expect it to be business as usual this time around as well...our side has given up everything for zero net gain, they still would need to jump through numerous hoops to enter NATO, the greeks have merely promised that they won't veto.
By the time Macedonia is close to gaining EU membership a dozen greek governments would've come and gone and I'm sure each one will be demanding another pound of flesh from our 'negotiators'...the Macedonia that we know today will be different looking by the time we get NATO membership (if?)...but how Macedonia looks by the time we get EU membership is anybodies guess, the only certainty will be for membership to eventuate the greeks will demand further changes.
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First breach/unfriendly move by Greece?

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Old 02-18-2019, 11:24 PM   #26
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First breach/unfriendly move by Greece?

That sign is for the village of Gorno Nevoljani, known as Skopia in Greek.
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:33 PM   #27
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"We have decided to rename the Philip II Stadium as the Toshe Proeski National Arena to honour a personality who left a deep mark on Macedonian and regional history," Prime Minister Zoran Zaev was quoted as saying.
First there was the very gay-sounding "Friendship" Highway (renamed from Alexander the Great Highway) and now this. What's next?...The Esma Redgepova Airport in Ohrid? After all, St.Paul wrote in Greek to the churches in Macedonia and not Slavic so, in the spirit of the agreement, this could be seen as contentious as well.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190409...our-greek-deal
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:14 PM   #28
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That sign is for the village of Gorno Nevoljani, known as Skopia in Greek.
No, it's not. Evzoni is the border crossing near Gevgeli, no where near Nevoljani.
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