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nushevski77 01-21-2019 03:06 PM

what are we doing.
 
*my post doesn't share any news or politics but it is about Macedonian politics.

I know most of us live in the diasporas of Canada, Australia, and the USA but is there really nothing that none of us can do to help or assist Macedonia? Really what are we actually doing all we do is share news and talk about Macedonia and how bad all these traitors are, can we not think of something to do, I don't think umd or mhrmi is organizing any protests. Im not trying to shit on each other but how come theres nothing we can do?

Risto the Great 01-21-2019 03:59 PM

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't turn it into a sentient being with a sense of patriotism. You might be able to make it drink though.

Recent history has shown us they resent anything we suggest and that they are victims of a destiny they feel they have no power to change.

Horses have more self respect.

Gocka 01-21-2019 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;178657]

Horses have more self respect.[/QUOTE]

Damn right they do. Get on a horse's back and start acting like a fool and see what happens to you!

Pelagonija 01-21-2019 07:05 PM

Forget protests..

You have two ways to change an existing system.

1)Via politics.
2)Via war.

The Croat and Albanian diaspora were really efficient in supporting their homelands.

Majority of Macedonians are useless and greedy.

Risto the Great 01-21-2019 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;178660]Majority of Macedonians are useless and greedy.[/QUOTE]
Majority of humans are useless and greedy.
Macedonians in the diaspora have done more than their share of the work. While some may choose to disagree, it has been us and only us who have preserved the Macedonian identity in the world's eyes for the last 60 years.

The Croats set the benchmark.

sydney 01-21-2019 08:01 PM

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;178660]Forget protests..

You have two ways to change an existing system.

1)Via politics.
2)Via war.

The Croat and Albanian diaspora were really efficient in supporting their homelands.

Majority of Macedonians are useless and greedy.[/QUOTE]

This topic of the diaspora really gives me the shits. RTG said it above - if the homeland doesn’t respect its own people living outside its borders then of course there’ll be a lack of action and efficiency. The average citizen of NMK will parrot the same garbage along the lines of ‘se prajte golemi patrioti dojdete tuka da ziveete’.

It starts from the top. There is no political leadership (or otherwise) to deliver the programs for the diaspora to confidently be involved. The diaspora won’t get involved in a war but may help to finance one. But this is unlikely because the citizens won’t take up arms. So back to politics and back to a lack of leadership to get serious about leveraging the diaspora.

Phoenix 01-21-2019 11:00 PM

[QUOTE=sydney;178663]This topic of the diaspora really gives me the shits. RTG said it above - if the homeland doesn’t respect its own people living outside its borders then of course there’ll be a lack of action and efficiency. The average citizen of NMK will parrot the same garbage along the lines of ‘se prajte golemi patrioti dojdete tuka da ziveete’.

It starts from the top. There is no political leadership (or otherwise) to deliver the programs for the diaspora to confidently be involved. The diaspora won’t get involved in a war but may help to finance one. But this is unlikely because the citizens won’t take up arms. So back to politics and back to a lack of leadership to get serious about leveraging the diaspora.[/QUOTE]

Well put Sydney.

I strongly agree with what you have written, there has always been a lack of leadership in Macedonia since independence was declared, as bad as it was then, today represents the ultimate low-water mark in the leadership credentials of those in power.

I have previously stated that - "a fish rots from the head down" but political sayings like -"in a democracy the people get the leaders they deserve" also ring true for the Macedonian people.

There are many concerned Macedonians at home and in the diaspora still fighting this battle but sadly there's really no political force behind any of these movements or individuals...Macedonian politicians and leaders have always had a wealth of intellectual resources and financial support to tap into from diaspora sources but they've (mostly) chosen to ignore the intellectual resources afforded them and have brazenly looted the financial support...

Strong leadership is the glue between the Macedonians in the homeland and those in the diaspora, sadly the strength of that bond has never been realised and is probably now broken forever...very few Macedonians in the diaspora are willing to help financially anymore because of endemic corruption among our so called "leaders"...and as for any advice you can give those boneheads in the homeland...forget it.

Phoenix 01-21-2019 11:11 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;178662]...
The Croats set the benchmark.[/QUOTE]

The Croat diaspora also bitches a bit about those in their homeland...the homeland suffers from similar delusions of grandeur as do the Macedonians...but not to the extent that our people do.

I think the problem is that like the Macedonians, the Croats (in the homeland) consider themselves a little more 'old world' and 'European', a bit more 'modern' and 'cultured' than those of use that find ourselves in the 'primitive - new world'...they often view and ridicule us as being stuck in the time-warp of the decade we migrated, compared to their 'progressive' evolution as 'modern Europeans'

The Croats are still the benchmark...I agree.

Amphipolis 01-22-2019 01:52 AM

[QUOTE=nushevski77;178656]*my post doesn't share any news or politics but it is about Macedonian politics.

I know most of us live in the diasporas of Canada, Australia, and the USA but is there really nothing that none of us can do to help or assist Macedonia? Really what are we actually doing all we do is share news and talk about Macedonia and how bad all these traitors are, can we not think of something to do, I don't think umd or mhrmi is organizing any protests. Im not trying to shit on each other but how come theres nothing we can do?[/QUOTE]

I think it’s quite simple. The average wealth for a resident in USA, Australia or Canada is 8 to 11 times more than in homeland.

You have to pack and go back, have a privileged life in your homeland, invest your money and offer your advanced cosmopolitan culture, talent and mentality, share their destiny and see how it is or how you make a difference.

Pelagonija 01-22-2019 06:19 AM

[QUOTE=sydney;178663]This topic of the diaspora really gives me the shits. RTG said it above - if the homeland doesn’t respect its own people living outside its borders then of course there’ll be a lack of action and efficiency. The average citizen of NMK will parrot the same garbage along the lines of ‘se prajte golemi patrioti dojdete tuka da ziveete’.

It starts from the top. There is no political leadership (or otherwise) to deliver the programs for the diaspora to confidently be involved. The diaspora won’t get involved in a war but may help to finance one. But this is unlikely because the citizens won’t take up arms. So back to politics and back to a lack of leadership to get serious about leveraging the diaspora.[/QUOTE]

Money can be very persuasive, I think the diaspora could have done more post WWII, at the very least did some counter bribing of various politicians at key periods in our history.

It’s too late now, people in NMK are fed up with nationalism. They would choose to speak Albanian or Greek if it opens the doors to a better life.

FYI the KLA was created in Switzerland by expats, they ended up carving out some land from Serbia and made fyrom binational. They were the laughing stock of the Balkans. But they had a plan..


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