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Carlin15 11-16-2019 04:00 PM

[B]The contribution of Albanians[/B]

URL:
[url]http://www.ekathimerini.com/246522/opinion/ekathimerini/comment/the-contribution-of-albanians[/url]

[I]The big migration wave from Albania in the 1990s revitalized almost all professions and remains a decisive factor in the country’s economic development. Greece gained capable blue-collar workers and laborers who, with their dedication and hard work, continue to contribute to the country and create wealth.[/I]

The contribution of Albanians and ethnic Greeks from Albania to the Greek economy is indisputable. The big migration wave of the 1990s revitalized almost all professions and remains a decisive factor in the country’s economic development. Greece gained capable blue-collar workers and laborers who, with their dedication and hard work, continue to contribute to the country and create wealth.

Today, the children of those migrants not only speak excellent Greek, but are excelling in education, growing up in a country that they now consider their own, and contributing to the development of the arts, sciences and entrepreneurship (even if examples of unequal treatment and unacceptable difficulties in obtaining citizenship still persist).

The fears in the 1990s that the country’s cultural makeup would change were baseless. Let us remember that [B]a great number of Albanian and Slavic people have migrated to Greek lands over the last few centuries and the descendants of many of them are now indistinguishable from the rest of the population. After all, what Greek or Englishman can say that he knows who his ancestors were 1,000 years ago? Even the United Kingdom’s Queen Elizabeth II is of German descent.[/B]

Greece, with its culture, geography, language, climate, history and religion, has created Greeks for millennia, whatever their place of birth.

Consequently, the new migrants who arrive in Greece also carry the promise of a significant contribution to Greece. This does not mean, however, that society has unlimited possibilities to develop social interactions with (the word “assimilate” is tasteless and racist) the “foreigner.”

People who come to our country should be treated well, but Greece cannot continue to take in so many arrivals. The increase in the number of refugees and migrants reaching Greece is driven by anti-Western forces that want to destabilize Europe.

Turkey allows the smuggling boats to sail from its shores, which it controls completely, as a means of pressure. This is aimed at making migration an issue of bilateral negotiation with Athens.

In other words, immigration certainly strengthens Greece in a variety of ways, as the Albanians and ethnic Greeks from Albania have clearly shown, but the large numbers of migrant arrivals, which is the result of secret plans to destabilize Europe, must be controlled by the mobilization of the European Union and NATO.

Carlin15 11-16-2019 07:14 PM

Map showing the territorial requests at the 1919 Peace Conference of Paris for the creation of an Arman-Vlach autonomous state in the Pindus region

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Dt2EkOu.jpg[/img]

Carlin15 11-17-2019 05:16 PM

On this map we see which coastal areas Venetians held in Greece, marked in blue and purple. There was likely a 'significant influx' of Venetian and other colonists in these regions.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/yq7GHVS.jpg[/img]

Dove 11-21-2019 05:14 PM

[QUOTE]Also there are first names like Ivanis, Dobros, Traikos, Milos, Vlados, Stoianos, Nenadas, Vetikos, etc. Widow Mila, widow Petrana, widow Vlasina, widow Dobrina and many more.[/QUOTE]

Great post Carlin. It is interesting that it was (is?) customary when writing in Greek to add Greek word endings to names, even first names. The beauty of (some of) the names identified in the list is that they obviously belong to languages other than Greek.

Carlin15 12-06-2019 10:48 AM

Thanks Dove.



Galaxidi or Galaxeidi, is a town and a former municipality in the southern part of Phocis. According to Edward Dodwell, year 1819: [I][B]The Galaxidiote women all wear the [COLOR="Blue"]Arnaut costume[/COLOR][/B][/I].

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Pe83NpY.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/AdcuWNB.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ESARu24.png[/img]

Carlin15 12-24-2019 02:04 PM

[B]A letter from Almira/Almyros (southern Thessaly)[/B], near the town of Ypati, addressed to the famous Alexandar Exarch in Constantinople, [B]dated September 1850[/B] [B]by the peasant[/B] [B][COLOR="Red"]Kalina Stoiku[/COLOR][/B].

The letter was written in Greek. In this letter, Kalina Stoiku pleads for her son, Konstantin Stoiku, to be released from the Constantinople prison where he was sent, slandered, that he was allegedly a robber. The letter, in addition to the signature of Kalina Stoiku, also carries signatures of several other leading figures from the same village, with the following names: [B][COLOR="red"]Mito, Nechko, Licho, Lalo, Dimo[/COLOR][/B] and others.

Carlin15 12-25-2019 08:40 AM

"The Earth and Its Inhabitants", by Elisee Reclus, Ernst Georg Ravenstein, Augustus Henry Kane - [U]year 1882[/U]

Pages 93-94:

- "The Arabs and Venetians, too, have been assimilated by the aboriginal Cretans; but [U][B]there still exist a considerable number of Albanians[/B][/U], the descendants of soldiers, who have retained their language and customs."
- "[U]All Cretans, [B]with the exception of the Albanians[/B], speak Greek[/U]..."

tchaiku 01-20-2020 10:06 AM

Burtzovlachs = Thessalian Vlachs

The earlier known references to the Vlach language date from the VI century (Wace & Thomson, 1989:2). In the Middle Ages, Vlachs established their own states in Great Vallachia (in Thessaly and Southern Macedonia) and Little Vallachia (in Etolia-Akarnania and Southern Epirus), in the XI and XII centuries (Dahmen, 1994:3; Berard, 1987:296); later on, they formed the basis of and provided the rulers to the ‘Second Bulgarian Kingdom’ or ‘Kingdom of Vlachs and Bulgarians’ (1185-1260), which at one point incorporated Great Vallachia. The latter survived the kingdom’s collapse as an autonomous area through the XIV century; then, and for some four centuries, little is known about the Vlachs who, as Orthodox Christians, belonged to the Greek-dominated Orthodox millet (= nationality) in the Ottoman Empire. Modern Vlachs are sometimes called [B]Kutzovlachs (= Vlachs from Little Vallachia) or Burtzovlachs (= Vlachs from Great Vallachia)[/B], terms which have acquired demeaning connotations (Papathanasiou, 1991:25; Lazarou, 1986:62).

[url]http://miris.eurac.edu/mugs2/do/blob.html?type=html&serial=1044526140151[/url]

tchaiku 01-24-2020 05:04 PM

[IMG]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-br-nxq-iTEg/VIfczUGIrgI/AAAAAAAABFY/3r2lpnKR7NE/w729-h833-no/corinth1.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--9hcCtaaUWc/VIfczfGacRI/AAAAAAAABFc/Hylix2oZDwk/w737-h833-no/corinth2.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NdoBw-40vgE/VIfc100o84I/AAAAAAAABFw/VoRwzj1VlVU/w768-h824-no/corinth3.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QQ4L8WR14tw/VIfc10yCBWI/AAAAAAAABF4/G-GPaTsE-qo/w768-h832-no/corinth4.png[/IMG]
Physical anthropology/taxonomy: Slavs/Avars of conquered Greece (Macedonia, Peloponesse, Hellas and Epirus) were mediterraean.

Carlin15 01-27-2020 12:52 AM

Thanks tchaiku. Is this "The Avar Invasion of Corinth" by G. R. Davidson (and Tibor Horvath)?

tchaiku 01-27-2020 06:40 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;182022]Thanks tchaiku. Is this "The Avar Invasion of Corinth" by G. R. Davidson (and Tibor Horvath)?[/QUOTE]

I directly got those screenshots from another forum I didn't take them myself. But I suppose that must be it.

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[I]Byzantine records note that Slav numbers were so great, that grass would not regrow where the Slavs had marched through.[/I]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#Migrations[/url]

Carlin15 01-29-2020 12:05 AM

After conquering Constantinople, when Mehmed II finally entered the city through what is now known as the Topkapi Gate, he immediately rode his horse to the Hagia Sophia.

[B]Mehmed's main concern with Constantinople was with rebuilding the city's defenses and[/B] [B]repopulation[/B]. Building projects were commenced immediately after the conquest, which included the repair of the walls, construction of the citadel, and building a new palace.

[B]Mehmed issued orders across his empire that Muslims, Christians, and Jews should resettle in the City demanding that five thousand households needed to be transferred to Constantinople by September.[/B] From all over the Islamic empire, prisoners of war and deported people were sent to the city; these people were called "Sürgün" in Turkish.

According to a survey carried out in 1478, there were then in Constantinople and neighboring Galata 16,324 households, 3,927 shops, and an estimated population of 80,000. [B]The population was about 60% Muslim, 20% Christian, and 10% Jewish.[/B]

URL:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_the_Conqueror[/url]

Images from the series Rise of Empires: Ottoman:
[url]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9244578/[/url]

"Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II wages an epic campaign to take the capital of Constantinople and shapes the course of history for centuries."

For the most part the series is true to history and portrays those fighting the Ottomans [B][U]as Romans[/U][/B].

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6NqgBke.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/XkTldBk.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/CbPUd8k.jpg[/img]

Carlin15 02-17-2020 02:06 PM

1) [B]Case Sotiris Bletsas for Minority Languages[/B] - Video:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=74&v=e7tP0XpX9ns&feature=emb_title[/url]

[I]The case of Sotiris Bletsas that has been chased by the Greek Law for declaring that his mother language and his origin was Vlach[/I]

In 1995, at an Aromanian festival in Greece, he distributed some EBLUL material about minority languages in Greece. In 2001, on an initiative of the MP for Edessa Evgenios Haïtidis, he was charged with "dissemination of false information" (contrary to article 191 of the Greek Penal Code) who reportedly was supported by the leadership of the Panhellenic Federation of Cultural Associations of Vlachs. The case drew protest from the Greek Helsinki Monitor and from abroad. He was first found guilty and sentenced to fifteen months in jail, suspended for three years, and fined 500,000 drachmas, however, he successfully appealed the decision and was subsequently found not guilty on 18 October 2001.

2) Emperor Nicephorus (802-811) settled colonists from various parts of the empire - "[B]Kapheroi[/B], Thrakesians, Armenians, and [B]others[/B] [B]from different places and cities[/B]" - in the Peloponnese.

Possibly these [B]"Kapheroi"[/B] may have been [B]Syrian Christian ex-subjects of the Caliphate[/B] who had become refugees or evacuees.

URLs:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=-sqiDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA306&dq=Kapheroi+Sparta&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjD4cqwqtnnAhXPc98KHSxWAVcQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=Kapheroi%20Sparta&f=false[/url]
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=Y2EbAAAAYAAJ&q=Kafir+Peloponnese&dq=Kafir+Peloponnese&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGzM31qdnnAhWMmuAKHfmoCPo4ChDoAQgnMAA[/url]

3) The Venetian Senate authorized the chatelain of Methoni to hire 300 mercenaries. Methoni is an interesting example of how Venetian colonists were settled, and their subsequent way of life. In 1293 the Senate ordered the walls of Methoni and Korone to be rebuilt and the towns populated by 24 families sent from Venice. Inside the burgus, or fortified town, of Methoni were commercial warehouses.

URL:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=kjC1CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&dq=venetian+colonists+cyprus&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF5NTerNnnAhXsct8KHZPMBHIQ6AEIQjAD#v=onepage&q=venetian%20colonists%20cyprus&f=true[/url]


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