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tchaiku 06-23-2018 07:27 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;174538]I didn't mention it - it comes from Quora (clearly an online post by a Greek), and I took a screenshot of it. The [I]value[/I] of it simply is that to most Greeks Tsakonian seems to [B]"sound"[/B] like Vlach or Slavic.

Anyway, all of these claims about which "Greek dialect" is more ancient are getting laughable. I mean I thought it was Tsakonian, which was most [I]archaic and closest to Doric[/I] -- now it's Pontic Greek that's most ancient of them all... What's next?

PONTIC IS NOT GREEK / ΤΑ ΠΟΝΤΙΑΚΑ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ
[url]https://freeinquiry.gr/single-post.php?id=4267[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah the fact that even Pontians, who are 70% hellenized Georgiano-Lazes, have their own Greek dialect is alarming about the language being the evidence of the Greek ''continuity''.

Carlin15 06-24-2018 08:25 AM

Repost

[SIZE="2"][COLOR="Navy"]Herakleios called Kyros a [B]HELLENE[/B] for having advised that the emperor's daughter should be betrothed to Ambros, phylarch of the Saracens, a [B]HELLENE[/B], an enemy of God and an opponent of the Christians.[/COLOR]

The translation uses the term [B]pagan[/B], which is correct. [B]The term "Hellene" did not have an ethnic/national meaning.[/B]
[QUOTE=Carlin15;173000]Please take a CLOSE look at the original and the translation.[/SIZE]

[url=https://imgur.com/w0ODFma][img]http://i.imgur.com/w0ODFma.png[/img][/url]
[url=https://imgur.com/vJBljL7][img]http://i.imgur.com/vJBljL7.png[/img][/url]

[COLOR="Navy"]Herakleios called Kyros a [B]HELLENE[/B] for having advised that the emperor's daughter should be betrothed to Ambros, phylarch of the Saracens, a [B]HELLENE[/B], an enemy of God and an opponent of the Christians.[/COLOR]

The translation uses the term [B]pagan[/B], which is correct. [B]The term "Hellene" did not have an ethnic/national meaning.[/B][/QUOTE]

tchaiku 06-25-2018 02:47 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;171646][SIZE="3"][FONT="Palatino Linotype"]The "hellenic" Constantinople ... full of [B]barbarians[/B] and [B]foreigners[/B]. Almost the entire "hellenic" byzantine army were [B]foreigners[/B].[/FONT][/SIZE]
[url=https://imgur.com/yMrwzWV][img]http://i.imgur.com/yMrwzWV.jpg[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
If I may ask, what is it saying? In short words if you want.

Carlin15 06-25-2018 05:21 PM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;174619]If I may ask, what is it saying? In short words if you want.[/QUOTE]

Here are translations of (only) two sentences:

[B]- [SIZE="2"][COLOR="Blue"]The number of foreigners increased through many slaves, mostly from the [U]northeastern coasts of the North Sea[/U], and the [U]Germans[/U] forming the emperor's bodyguard.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

- [SIZE="2"][COLOR="Blue"]Historian Procopius, contemporary of Justinian, estimates that during his time there were [B][U]70,000 barbarians[/U][/B] legally residing in Constantinople.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

tchaiku 06-26-2018 03:18 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;174641]Here are translations of (only) two sentences:

[B]- [SIZE="2"][COLOR="Blue"]The number of foreigners increased through many slaves, mostly from the [U]northeastern coasts of the North Sea[/U], and the [U]Germans[/U] forming the emperor's bodyguard.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

- [SIZE="2"][COLOR="Blue"]Historian Procopius, contemporary of Justinian, estimates that during his time there were [B][U]70,000 barbarians[/U][/B] legally residing in Constantinople.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

Well Constantinople had a population of 500,000. But yeah I wonder how many ''illegal barbarians'' were there.
Btw the plague reduced Constantinople's population from 500,000 to 40,000 or 70,000 at most. So sad :( No doubt why Slavs were able to occupy Greece.

Carlin15 07-05-2018 05:46 PM

[img]https://i.imgur.com/fzi2omX.jpg[/img]

Euboea = Evia
[img]https://i.imgur.com/aEuTUjg.jpg[/img]

TrueMacedonian 07-07-2018 03:51 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;757]Yes we had Roman refugees when the Roman capitals changed, then we had the germanic Goths, then we had the Bulgars, then we had the Slavs, we had settlers from the Vangarian Guard, we had settlers from Spanish Aargon knights, we had settlers from French knights, we had Venetian & Genoan traders settle there and then Turks and lastly Spanish jews.

...and we are stil here.[/QUOTE]

:14::14::14: And 70 pages later :whistling: I wonder if he still feels like they are still here :6:

Reading older RtG posts made my sides split lol

Carlin15 07-11-2018 12:10 AM

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wNM3664.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/SPnEvyj.jpg[/img]

[COLOR="Blue"]"We believed ourselves, we thought, as Hellenes; Under the influence of the bishops of the Phanar, all local patriotism had disappeared within us; We have only dreamed of Hellenism; We have suffered, struggled, succumbed to the Great Idea.

[U]It was we who made Greece[/U].

These are our own, Grivas, Colettis, Marcos Botzaris, Tzavellas, Hadji Petros, Androutzos, Boucovallas, Diacos and Zervas, who have assured the triumph, and [U]even Kolocotronis, the great Moraite, descend from a Vlach family emigrated to Morea[/U]."

Thus speaks Apostol Margariti...[/COLOR]

URL - Apostol Mărgărit (Apostolos Margaritis):
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostol_M%C4%83rg%C4%83rit[/url]

tchaiku 07-18-2018 02:53 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin;167027]1) [B]Anonymi Descriptio Europae orientalis[/B]. Imperium Constantinopolitanum, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Ruthenia, Ungaria, Polonia, Bohemia. Anno MCCCVIII exarata. Cracoviae, 1916: As per the anonymous traveler of Eastern Europe [B]from the XIV century[/B], it is stated that Vlachs (whom the author calls "Blasi"), are a [B]numerous people living [U]between Macedonia, Achaia and Salonika[/U][/B].

2) [B]Johann Thunmann[/B], Untersuchungen uber die Geschichte der ostlichen europaischen Volker, I. Leipzig, [B]1774[/B]: The author states that Vlachs represent half the population of Thrace, and three quarters of inhabitants of Thessaly and Macedonia combined.

3) Inhabitants of Greece through the eyes of various foreign visitors and travelers. Various regions/areas:

"The once glorious Athens is so desolate that it seems incredible that it was once glorious. I, for one, did not see anywhere a more terrible place. Wilderness, swamps...." »DAramon, French ambassador.

"The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.

"Eleusis is now a poor village with 1,200 inhabitants, mostly Albanians." - John Fulleylove MClymont JA, 1902.

[B]"The Albanians from Arcadia are three times more numerous than the Turks." » (The present state of the Morea called Peloponesus, Bernard Randolph, an English traveler, London, [U]1686[/U]).[/B]

"Kos is inhabited by Turks." (Pierre Belon, a French physician and botanist, 1546.)

"Mykonos.. It was almost uninhabited." Thevenot (1655).[/QUOTE]

BUMP ...

[B]"The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.
[/B]

Just Turkish?

tchaiku 07-23-2018 03:17 PM

On Euboea 17th century -

[I]IT Lyes to the North of Boeotia extending North West and South East about 120 miles; Its Breadth, at the broadest place not above 30. It was taken from the Venetians in the year 1471. The soil is very fertile, affording all sorts of Graine, Wine, and Oyle, as likewise Flesh and Fowl; the Sea abounding with Fish. Since the Turks have had possession of it, [B]most of the Greeks are [U]Fled [/U]from the Villages, and Townes; [/B][COLOR="black"][COLOR="Blue"]So as the [B]inland places are mostly supplyed by Al∣baneses[[/COLOR][/COLOR][/B], who are the Shepherds, and serve the Turks at their Farmes. Formerly here were two Citys, and 500. Townes and Villages; Now there is but one, which can be called a City, which is the ancient Chalcis and now hath the name of the Island; by the Turks it is called Egriboz. It stands on a point of Land, having the Sea two Thirds about it. Betwixt it and the Maine is a small Island, with a strong Castle. From the Maine to the small Island is a bridge built up∣on six good Arches, and thence to the Maine[/I]

[url]https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A70955.0001.001/1:5?rgn=div1;view=fulltext[/url]


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