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Carlin15 01-31-2018 11:42 PM

[SIZE="3"][FONT="Palatino Linotype"]The "hellenic" Constantinople ... full of [B]barbarians[/B] and [B]foreigners[/B]. Almost the entire "hellenic" byzantine army were [B]foreigners[/B].[/FONT][/SIZE]
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Carlin15 02-01-2018 10:15 PM

[SIZE="3"]For the Albanians (Arvanites) of Attica, Greek is a foreign language.[/SIZE]
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Carlin15 02-03-2018 01:58 AM

[B]Mainland Greeks Genetically Diverged From Islanders in the Middle Ages
[I]
Genetic analysis proves that following thousands of years of conquests and migrations, peoples living around the Mediterranean today share common ancestors, [U]with one surprising outlier: Greece[/U][/B]
[/I]
URL:
[url]https://www.haaretz.com/amp/archaeology/mainland-island-greeks-genetically-diverged-in-middle-ages-1.5489323[/url]

Elizabeth Sloane, Ruth Schuster
29.06.2017 | 17:58

The peoples living today around the Mediterranean Sea are all related, after thousands of years of intermittently attacking and loving each other, a new genetic study has unsurprisingly shown. However, the data from [B]the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to [U]Albanians[/U] than to their brethren in the Greek islands[/B].

[I][B][U]Different genes[/U] for [U]different Greeks[/U][/B][/I]

The scientists did find the expected degree of genetic continuity extending from Sicily to Cyprus.

The scientists were not expecting to find that the people in the Greek islands appear [B]genetically closer to [U]southern Italians[/U][/B] than to the people in continental Greece.

[B]Meanwhile, the mainland Greeks, including the Peloponnese in southern Greece, had become slightly differentiated. [U]They clustered with populations from the southern Balkans, including Kosovo and Albania.[/U][/B]

Carlin15 02-03-2018 02:16 AM

Gregory Akindynos - [I]"Byzantine Greek"[/I] - [B]native of Prilep, of Mysian race[/B].

The following find comes from a BULGARIAN book.
[url=https://imgur.com/n7CQmAi][img]http://i.imgur.com/n7CQmAi.jpg[/img][/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Akindynos[/url]
[url]https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%98_%D0%90%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD[/url]

maco2envy 02-03-2018 02:20 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;171683][B]Mainland Greeks Genetically Diverged From Islanders in the Middle Ages
[I]
Genetic analysis proves that following thousands of years of conquests and migrations, peoples living around the Mediterranean today share common ancestors, [U]with one surprising outlier: Greece[/U][/B]
[/I]
URL:
[url]https://www.haaretz.com/amp/archaeology/mainland-island-greeks-genetically-diverged-in-middle-ages-1.5489323[/url]

Elizabeth Sloane, Ruth Schuster
29.06.2017 | 17:58

The peoples living today around the Mediterranean Sea are all related, after thousands of years of intermittently attacking and loving each other, a new genetic study has unsurprisingly shown. However, the data from [B]the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to [U]Albanians[/U] than to their brethren in the Greek islands[/B].

[I][B][U]Different genes[/U] for [U]different Greeks[/U][/B][/I]

The scientists did find the expected degree of genetic continuity extending from Sicily to Cyprus.

The scientists were not expecting to find that the people in the Greek islands appear [B]genetically closer to [U]southern Italians[/U][/B] than to the people in continental Greece.

[B]Meanwhile, the mainland Greeks, including the Peloponnese in southern Greece, had become slightly differentiated. [U]They clustered with populations from the southern Balkans, including Kosovo and Albania.[/U][/B][/QUOTE]

Great find, although I can't say I'm surprised by this.

On the context of genetics, there is an upcoming genetic analysis in the Balkans which is apart of the One Family One World Project:
[URL="https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/regional_dna_project_southeast_europe.shtml"]https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/regional_dna_project_southeast_europe.shtml[/URL]

Prepare for more scientific revelations about modern-day Hellenism.

maco2envy 02-03-2018 02:27 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;171684]Gregory Akindynos - [I]"Byzantine Greek"[/I] - [B]native of Prilep, of Mysian race[/B].

The following find comes from a BULGARIAN book.
[url=https://imgur.com/n7CQmAi][img]http://i.imgur.com/n7CQmAi.jpg[/img][/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Akindynos[/url]
[url]https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%98_%D0%90%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD[/url][/QUOTE]

This is heavily relevant to this thread:
[URL="http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8667"]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8667[/URL] (St Sophia Inscription)

Carlin15 02-03-2018 02:38 AM

[QUOTE=maco2envy;171685]Great find, although I can't say I'm surprised by this.

On the context of genetics, there is an upcoming genetic analysis in the Balkans which is apart of the One Family One World Project:
[URL="https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/regional_dna_project_southeast_europe.shtml"]https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/regional_dna_project_southeast_europe.shtml[/URL]

Prepare for more scientific revelations about modern-day Hellenism.[/QUOTE]

maco2envy, yes it is nothing new or surprising at all.

I've also added the find regarding Г. Акиндин to the thread you mentioned - thank you.

tchaiku 02-03-2018 05:42 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;171683][B]Mainland Greeks Genetically Diverged From Islanders in the Middle Ages
[I]
Genetic analysis proves that following thousands of years of conquests and migrations, peoples living around the Mediterranean today share common ancestors, [U]with one surprising outlier: Greece[/U][/B]
[/I]
URL:
[url]https://www.haaretz.com/amp/archaeology/mainland-island-greeks-genetically-diverged-in-middle-ages-1.5489323[/url]

Elizabeth Sloane, Ruth Schuster
29.06.2017 | 17:58

The peoples living today around the Mediterranean Sea are all related, after thousands of years of intermittently attacking and loving each other, a new genetic study has unsurprisingly shown. However, the data from [B]the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to [U]Albanians[/U] than to their brethren in the Greek islands[/B].

[I][B][U]Different genes[/U] for [U]different Greeks[/U][/B][/I]

The scientists did find the expected degree of genetic continuity extending from Sicily to Cyprus.

The scientists were not expecting to find that the people in the Greek islands appear [B]genetically closer to [U]southern Italians[/U][/B] than to the people in continental Greece.

[B]Meanwhile, the mainland Greeks, including the Peloponnese in southern Greece, had become slightly differentiated. [U]They clustered with populations from the southern Balkans, including Kosovo and Albania.[/U][/B][/QUOTE]

The closer you are geographically the higher is the portability to score genetically. So it is no brainier that Albanians, Greeks, Italians, South Slavs to be close to each other. Significant genetic evidence comes from a bigger distance like that of Southern Italians with British isles.

tchaiku 02-03-2018 10:06 AM

Speaking of Southern Italy:

[B]Zancle/Messina[/B] - In 288 BC the Mamertines seized the city by treachery, killing all the men and taking the women as their wives. (Romans renamed Zancle, Messina)
[B]Himera[/B]- The city itself was utterly destroyed, its buildings razed to the ground, and even the temples themselves were not spared.Diodorus, who relates the total destruction of Himera, tells us expressly that it was never rebuilt, and that the site remained uninhabited down to his own times.
The explanation of this difficulty is furnished by Cicero, who tells us that, after the destruction of Himera, those citizens who had survived the calamity of the war established themselves at Thermae, within the confines of the same territory, and not far from their old town.

[B]Lentini [/B]- At the beginning of the FOURTH century, Leontines was taken by the Syracusan troops. The inhabitants are deported to Syracuse where they receive citizenship. From that time Leontines disappeared from the ancient sources.

[B]Catania [/B]- In 403 BC, Dionysius the Elder , a tyrant of Syracuse, once again pursued a policy of expansion on the eastern side of Sicily in order to strengthen his power before confronting the Carthaginians again . Catania is taken and sacked by the troops of the tyrant. An eruption of Etna consumed the city in 121 . The Greeks built a theater on the acropolis in the 5TH century BC. J.-C .; It was then rebuilt by the Romans and could accommodate 7000 people.
[B]Selinunte [/B]- According to sources, 16,000 of the citizens of Selinunte were killed, 5,000 were taken prisoner, and 2,600 under the command of Empedion escaped to Acragas. Subsequently, a considerable number of the survivors and fugitives were gathered together by Hermocrates of Syracuse, and established within the walls of the city. But before the close of the war (about 250 BCE), when the Carthaginians were beginning to pull back, and confine themselves to the defense of as few places as possible, they removed all the inhabitants of Selinunte to Lilybaeum and destroyed the city. It seems certain that it was never rebuilt. Pliny the Elder mentions its name (Selinus oppidum[30]), as if it still existed as a town in his time, but Strabo distinctly classes it with extinct cities.

[B]Megara Hyblaea[/B] - Nothing more is known of Megara till the period of its destruction by Gelon of Syracuse, about 483 BC, who, after a long siege, made himself master of the city by a capitulation; but, notwithstanding this, caused the bulk of the inhabitants to be sold into slavery, while he established the more wealthy and noble citizens at Syracuse. (Herod. vii. 156; Thuc. vi. 4.) Strabo asserts: The cities no longer exist, it is true, but the name of Hybla still endures, because of the excellence of the Hyblaean honey.

[B]Gela [/B]- In 406 the Carthaginians conquered Agrigento and destroyed it. , Gela was ruined and its treasures sacked (405). The survivors took refuge in Syracuse. In 397 they returned home and joined Dionysius II in his struggle for freedom from the invaders, and in 383 BC they saw their independence acknowledged. The city subsequently disappeared from the chronicles. Under Roman rule, a small settlement still existed, which is mentioned by Virgil, Pliny the Elder, Cicero, and Strabo.


[B]Agrigento [/B]- Agrigento was neutral in the war between Athens and Syracuse in 413 BCE but was attacked, besieged for seven months, and then destroyed by the Carthaginians in 406 BCE - emphatic revenge for their defeat at Himera in 480 BCE. The town did eventually recover and became an important Hellenistic settlement, but Agrigento was again sacked in 262 BCE and 210 BCE, this time by the Romans.

[B]Eraclea Minoa[/B] - The city is reported in the Verrine of Cicero among the decumanae civitates of Roman Sicily [2] . In 131 BC, the Praetor Publio Rupilio came to the conclusion of a colony [3] , which is supposed that the city was almost completely depopulated during the First Servant War . Archaeological excavations document the abandonment of the city shortly after the middle of the 1st century BC

[B]Casmenae [/B]- It was founded in 643 BC from Syracuse, 90 years after Syracuse's own foundation in 734 or 733 BC. ''.But the Camarinaeans being expelled by arms by the Syracusans for having revolted, Hippocrates, tyrant of Gela, some time later receiving their land in ransom for some Syracusan prisoners, resettled Camarina, himself acting as its founder. Lastly, it was again depopulated by Gelo, and settled once more for the third time by the Geloans.'' The city was abandoned around the end of the 4th century BC, with gradual Syracusan decadence, hence the relatively undisturbed nature of the site. To the south of ancient Casmene, on the site now known as "Terravecchia", is the former site of Giarratana (Jarratana), abandoned by its inhabitants in 1693.

[B]Xiphonia[/B]- In 475 BC the area was repopulated by ten thousand Syracusans. This caused tensions and frustration with the former inhabitants who culminate in a crushing battle under Ducezio and will force settlers to flee. Conquered by the Romans, probably around the 2nd century BC , it was called Akis and cited by Theokritus and Aeschylus . Even in this case it will not be called in a unique way: Ovid and Silio Italico will cite it as " Acis ", Claudiano instead as " Acin ".
In the following centuries the wars, plunder and destruction due to eruptions and earthquakes forced the inhabitants to move further south, information about this period was confusing enough and the mysterious Xiphonia and Akis lost track of it. In the following centuries the wars, plunder and destruction due to eruptions and earthquakes forced the inhabitants to move further south, information about this period was confusing enough and the mysterious Xiphonia and Akis lost track of it.

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Carlin15 02-04-2018 08:00 AM

Entangled Histories of the Balkans - Volume One: National Ideologies and Language Policies

[I]Edited by[/I] Roumen Daskalov and Tchavdar Marinov

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