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  • vicsinad
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 2337

    Macedonians Storm Parliament

    Macedonians storm parliament after election of speaker. Supposedly, ethnic Albanian MPs also sung Albanian anthem in parliament.


    Fighting ensued between protesters and politicians. Zaev and others injured. Zijadin Sela beaten severely, may not survive. Ironic, as he once said parliament should burn...

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  • Albo
    Member
    • May 2014
    • 304

    #2
    Violence Erupts as Protesters Storm Macedonia Parliament

    See more at: http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...#disqus_thread

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    • Albo
      Member
      • May 2014
      • 304

      #3
      KAOS... BLOOD BATH!!

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      • Odi Zvezdo
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2016
        • 63

        #4
        Originally posted by Albo View Post
        And Albo..what's your view on this??? Albanians going to cry the victim once again like everything else???

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        • maco2envy
          Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 288

          #5
          Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
          Macedonians storm parliament after election of speaker. Supposedly, ethnic Albanian MPs also sung Albanian anthem in parliament.


          Fighting ensued between protesters and politicians. Zaev and others injured. Zijadin Sela beaten severely, may not survive. Ironic, as he once said parliament should burn...

          https://www.facebook.com/RadioMOF/ph...535577/?type=3
          Source on Sela?

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          • Pelagonija
            Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 533

            #6
            Da zivej Makedonija

            Death to the traitors..

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            • vicsinad
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 2337

              #7
              Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
              Source on Sela?


              (Sorry, not in Macedonian...but "Sela is fighting for his life")

              Makedonija: Lider Alijanse za Albance Zijadin Sela se bori za život
              travanj 27, 2017 dnevnieditor 265 Pregleda 0 Komentara

              Lider makedonskih socijaldemokrata Zoran Zaev, nekoliko članova njegove stranke SDSM i lider partnerske Alijansa za Albance Zijadin Sela povrijeđeni su četvrtak uvečer pošto su pristalice pokreta “Za zajedničku Makedoniju” upale u Sobranje poslije izbora Talata Džafarija za predsjednika Skupštine Makedonije. Kako je javila makedonska televizija Alsat-M, Sela je teško povrijeđen i bori se za život.

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              • Gocka
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 2306

                #8
                This is not the right way, it is completely counter productive and could spiral out of control.

                Random acts of violence don't accomplish anything except invite more random acts of violence.

                Originally posted by Pelagonija View Post
                Da zivej Makedonija

                Death to the traitors..

                Also did anyone else notice that they elected Talat Xaferi as the speaker of the parliament? Is he the first Albanian speaker?
                Last edited by Gocka; 04-27-2017, 07:36 PM.

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                • vicsinad
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 2337

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                  This is not the right way, it is completely counter productive and could spiral out of control.

                  Random acts of violence don't accomplish anything except invite more random acts of violence.




                  Also did anyone else notice that they elected Talat Xaferi as the speaker of the parliament? Is he the first Albanian speaker?
                  I agree. Totally not the right way.

                  But yes, I think he is the first Albanian speaker. He also was an NLA leader, and supposedly today is the anniversary of the day his "cheta" killed some Macedonian soldiers in the 2001 conflict. I'm pretty sure he also served as defense minister, right? I don't know if the protestors stormed because he was voted speaker, or because the anthem was sung, or because the fact that a speaker was elected...

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                  • Odi Zvezdo
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 63

                    #10
                    [QUOTE=Gocka;168027]This is not the right way, it is completely counter productive and could spiral out of control.

                    Random acts of violence don't accomplish anything except invite more random acts of violence.

                    Gocka, what is the right way then??? People can only trpi so much..

                    As a diaspora, we have always said that the people of Macedonia do not show enough grunt, there's no patriotism in there purely and simply because they did not fight for their countries during the break up of Yugoslavia...now that they're standing up to Zajko and the Tirana Platform thru violence, we are condoning such acts??

                    If anything I applaud United Macedonia for taking such actions!!!

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                    • vicsinad
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 2337

                      #11
                      There's nothing patriotic about attacking defenseless people. Take, for example, bashing Radmila's head with a tripod and then throwing her to the ground by grabbing her by the hair. That's not patriotism. Also, there was one attacker wearing a Croatian ustashe shirt. I don't know how that expresses Macedonian patriotism.

                      Here are videos of the event:

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                      • vicsinad
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 2337

                        #12
                        I don't think there was anything wrong with storming the parliament and taking over. But those who attacked the politicians did not do Macedonia or the United Macedonia movement any favors.

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                        • Gocka
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2306

                          #13
                          Yes he was former defense minister, and yes he was former NLA and accused of potentially being involved in the killing of Macedonian soldiers. As if it wasn't bad enough he was defense minister, now speaker, is he going to address the parliament in Albanian!

                          Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                          I agree. Totally not the right way.

                          But yes, I think he is the first Albanian speaker. He also was an NLA leader, and supposedly today is the anniversary of the day his "cheta" killed some Macedonian soldiers in the 2001 conflict. I'm pretty sure he also served as defense minister, right? I don't know if the protestors stormed because he was voted speaker, or because the anthem was sung, or because the fact that a speaker was elected...
                          What actions? What actions were taken today? Do you really think you regain sovereignty through 5 thugs in masks beating up politicians at random?

                          Hooliganism doesn't equal patriotism. I would bet my life that those thugs probably had no idea who they were attacking or even why, if you want to build a movement on the back of that kind of senselessness then you are doomed to fail.

                          Macedonia needs brave intelligent and patriotic people to run for office, they need citizens to be active in the political process, both local and national. They need to understand the issues and have clear demands of their politicians.

                          What we have now is a group of lazy asses who make their way from the cafe to the streets to protest and then back to the cafe. All that protesting, years of protests and not a single leader emerged from the bunch, not a single well thought out demand.

                          Macedonians don't know the first thing about democracy, and I'm sorry to say judging by the comments by some of our diaspora, it looks like the many of the diaspora don't know the first thing about democracy either.


                          Originally posted by Odi Zvezdo View Post

                          Gocka, what is the right way then??? People can only trpi so much..

                          As a diaspora, we have always said that the people of Macedonia do not show enough grunt, there's no patriotism in there purely and simply because they did not fight for their countries during the break up of Yugoslavia...now that they're standing up to Zajko and the Tirana Platform thru violence, we are condoning such acts??

                          If anything I applaud United Macedonia for taking such actions!!!

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                          • Gocka
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 2306

                            #14
                            I don't see how Sela gets so badly hurt. He looks fine throughout the videos. Even when the police finally arrive he still looks fine, if he did get badly beaten it had to be after the police came.

                            Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                            There's nothing patriotic about attacking defenseless people. Take, for example, bashing Radmila's head with a tripod and then throwing her to the ground by grabbing her by the hair. That's not patriotism. Also, there was one attacker wearing a Croatian ustashe shirt. I don't know how that expresses Macedonian patriotism.

                            Here are videos of the event:

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                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnIY6UBDPc

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13669

                              #15
                              Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                              Also, there was one attacker wearing a Croatian ustashe shirt. I don't know how that expresses Macedonian patriotism.
                              I didn't notice that. Was he in the first link? As far as the Ustasha goes, I am not condoning what happened during WWII, but prior to that they often collaborated with and supported Macedonians in the first Yugoslavia. If there was somebody wearing such a shirt, I think it is somewhat akin to Serbs and Greeks supporting each other when their opponents are Macedonians (like at a football game).
                              Originally posted by Gocka
                              Macedonians don't know the first thing about democracy, and I'm sorry to say judging by the comments by some of our diaspora, it looks like the many of the diaspora don't know the first thing about democracy either.
                              Zaev didn't win the elections on his "anti-corruption" platform, so he formed a coalition with ethnic Albanians and adopted their anti-Macedonian platform. He now has the majority of votes. Does he have the democratic right to form government? Or does the clear case of mission creep after the elections preclude him from this?
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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