Parthenon was used as a mosque plus much more....

[TrueMacedonian]

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:eek: My goodness the Parthenon was used as a mosque, the Germans basically gave you "classical culture" (not to mention the term 'Hellenism' :rolleyes:) and churches were destroyed en mass to make way for this new culture.
Now do you see why we think you people are brainwashed imposter hellenes?

[Risto the Great]

Das ist yasou re

[TrueMacedonian]

Das ist yasou re

:D :D :D Maybe we can re-compromise the name of the imposter hellenes. Maybe ArvanoVlachoGermanoi :p

[Dejan]

Everyday we come across more proof that this pseudo nation to the south of Macedonia is nothing but a sham. It's whole existence is based on lies. Keep the info coming Makedonci...

[Demos]

Everyday we come across more proof that this pseudo nation to the south of Macedonia is nothing but a sham. It's whole existence is based on lies. Keep the info coming Makedonci...

Our much poorer neighbors will always be jealous of ours successes. I am pleased to see that you view us with spite and envy.

You could only dream of being like us...

And that's not a sham...

[TrueMacedonian]

Why would we want to emulate an imposter race of drones? German philhellenes gave you 'hellenism' and your first university as well as instigate what Byron ultimately had in mind. To mold the Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, Slavs, Armenians, Jews etc into ancient "greeks". You live in fantasyland. Maybe it's time to see the BS you've been fed by your society since birth. You're nothing special. You're nothing at all.

[Demos]

Why would we want to emulate an imposter race of drones? German philhellenes gave you 'hellenism' and your first university as well as instigate what Byron ultimately had in mind. To mold the Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, Slavs, Armenians, Jews etc into ancient "greeks". You live in fantasyland. Maybe it's time to see the BS you've been fed by your society since birth. You're nothing special. You're nothing at all.


If that makes you feel better, that's fine. 18,000 of your countrymen though are employed by us Albanians, Turks, Vlachs, Slavs, Armenians, and Jews. Anything of worth in your country has been bought up by Greeks.

Not bad huh for a country of "nothing specials".

[Risto the Great]

Our much poorer neighbors will always be jealous of ours successes. I am pleased to see that you view us with spite and envy.

You could only dream of being like us...

And that's not a sham...
Hey Demos,
what do I have do to become a Greek by ethnicity?
Can you sum it all up for me?
I have my suspicions but I think you might be able to help me.

[Demos]

Hey Demos,
what do I have do to become a Greek by ethnicity?
Can you sum it all up for me?
I have my suspicions but I think you might be able to help me.

I don't think you can do anything as you would always be viewed as a "xenos" or foreigner.

Why would you want to be Greek? You belong to a different nation.

[Risto the Great]

I don't think you can do anything as you would always be viewed as a "xenos" or foreigner.

Why would you want to be Greek? You belong to a different nation.
No, really.
My people were born in what is now called Greece.
Both of my Grandfathers were in the Greek army.
How many "xenos" are there like me in Greece?

[Demos]

No, really.
My people were born in what is now called Greece.
Both of my Grandfathers were in the Greek army.
How many "xenos" are there like me in Greece?

Probably not as many as you think. There are some like you in the border areas as this is natural in all countries, but not that many regardless given the total size of the country itself.

[Risto the Great]

So what you are saying is that I will always be a "xenos". :(
What about the many people I know who speak only Macedonian but call themselves Greek. Can they please be Greeks? I know they were not kissed on the dick like you, but surely they can try to live the dream???

They wave Greek flags around incessantly. Surely they will qualify eventually? Do you think their kids might have a chance if we send them to Greek school?

[Demos]

So what you are saying is that I will always be a "xenos". :(
What about the many people I know who speak only Macedonian but call themselves Greek. Can they please be Greeks? I know they were not kissed on the dick like you, but surely they can try to live the dream???

They wave Greek flags around incessantly. Surely they will qualify eventually? Do you think their kids might have a chance if we send them to Greek school?

If they see themselves as Greeks and they see Greece as their homeland, yes. Only a fool would claim racial purity in 2009. I don't claim that all Greeks are racially pure in the ethnic sense. Nobody can claim racial purity, but we are the inheritors and safe keepers of the Hellenic culture and language. To deny this is to deny historical truth.

[Daskalot]

If you wish to live the American dream you will eventually become an American! Same thing.

[Risto the Great]

I don't claim that all Greeks are racially pure in the ethnic sense. Nobody can claim racial purity, but we are the inheritors and safe keepers of the Hellenic culture and language. To deny this is to deny historical truth.
So the heads of the Hellenic Macedonian groups here in Adelaide are not allowed to be "safe keepers" of the Hellenic culture and language due to their obvious fouled history? I know for a fact that their history is not as squeaky clean as you would like it to be.

Here is a funny story for you:

I was at a funeral in a Greek church the other day. An Albanian friend came to pay respects as well (muslim btw) ... well, after he heard the speech from the local Capetano Greco hotshot ... the Albanian came to me and said ... "Man, how did they let that guy speak another language in the Greek church". I laughed and told him that he was speaking Greek but because he natively spoke Macedonian, his Greek sounded like shit (please, don't call it Makedonika ... if you do, you will have to think long and hard about the ridiculous accents our ancestors had when speaking English). He swore to me that he knows what Greek sounds like and he could not understand squat from this guy! We laughed and went on our merry way.

Would Capetano Greco qualify under your strict KKK guidelines?

[Demos]

So the heads of the Hellenic Macedonian groups here in Adelaide are not allowed to be "safe keepers" of the Hellenic culture and language due to their obvious fouled history? I know for a fact that their history is not as squeaky clean as you would like it to be.

Here is a funny story for you:

I was at a funeral in a Greek church the other day. An Albanian friend came to pay respects as well (muslim btw) ... well, after he heard the speech from the local Capetano Greco hotshot ... the Albanian came to me and said ... "Man, how did they let that guy speak another language in the Greek church". I laughed and told him that he was speaking Greek but because he natively spoke Macedonian, his Greek sounded like shit (please, don't call it Makedonika ... if you do, you will have to think long and hard about the ridiculous accents our ancestors had when speaking English). He swore to me that he knows what Greek sounds like and he could not understand squat from this guy! We laughed and went on our merry way.

Would Capetano Greco qualify under your strict KKK guidelines?

And what's your point? I know many immigrants in countries like the US, England, Germany, etc etc who can barely speak the language or speak it with a very heavy accent, yet they seem to be going out of their way to try to be an American, English, German etc.

This has to do with their own inferiority complex (trying very hard to assimiliate) or they actually admire the culture they are trying to adopt.

And even if these Macedonian Greek speakers speak Greek with a heavy accent, so what? Who am I to argue against him on how he feels? He feels Greek and that's all that matters.

I'm not a member of the Nazi party or anything like that to be disqualifying people as Greeks just because they aren't "Aryan" Greeks.

[Venom]

APOLOGIST!!!

You're the biggest fucken tool I've ever seen, dead set.

How much do you get paid for this shit, seriously? Do you think of it yourself or does someone else write it for you?

Does every post have to be a calculated apologetic response?!

Say something of substance, PLEASE, just once!

[Demos]

APOLOGIST!!!

You're the biggest fucken tool I've ever seen, dead set.

How much do you get paid for this shit, seriously? Do you think of it yourself or does someone else write it for you?

Does every post have to be a calculated apologetic response?!

Say something of substance, PLEASE, just once!


Sorry Venom, but I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I wish I was though as this would be a very easy job.

Risto asked me a question and I answered honestly. As I stated before 1 of my uncles is half Macedonian. Do I see him as less of a Greek because he's Macedonian on his mother's side?

The answer is a definite No. You trying to paint me as a Nazi won't work. I don't adhere to Nazi philosophies of racial purity or Aryan doctrines.

Are all Greeks pure racially? Absolutely not. But the majority of Greeks are just that; Greeks. We didn't just wake up one day and start speaking Greek out of the blue if we were as you claim Albanian, Vlach, Romanian, Slav or whatever.

There is a reason why Americans and Australians speak English and not German or Italian. And that's because most of them when those countries were formed were, just that; English through and through.

Are all Americans English today? No, but the majority are ethnically English in decent.

[makedonin]

And even if these Macedonian Greek speakers speak Greek with a heavy accent, so what? Who am I to argue against him on how he feels? He feels Greek and that's all that matters.

Exactly, who are you to go against us and argue about how we feel and question our Identity????

We Feel Macedonian and that is all that matters


Or you are an hypocrit, double face jive????

I guess you Greeks all are!!!!

[Demos]

Exactly, who are you to go against us and argue about how we feel and question our Identity????

We Feel Macedonian and that is all that matters


Or you are an hypocrit, double face jive????

I guess you Greeks all are!!!!

Many Greeks and historians around the world feel that you are usurping Greek history and that is the root cause of the issue. Your attempts to try and disqualify Greeks etc are laughable at best.

No historian takes your arguments with any measure of seriousness. Most people in the world agree with our historical point of view irrespective of what the government is Skopje thinks or is attempting to do.

[makedonin]

Many Greeks and historians around the world feel that you are usurping Greek history and that is the root cause of the issue. Your attempts to try and disqualify Greeks etc are laughable at best.

No historian takes your arguments with any measure of seriousness. Most people in the world agree with our historical point of view irrespective of what the government is Skopje thinks or is attempting to do.

Escape in to History and trying to back it up with some alledged support of views,

won't make it different, that you are usurping basic Human rights of self Identification which you claim for your self and for your alledged Macedonians with accent speaking Greeks who before some 90 years spoke only Turkish, as well for your Arvanitika, and Slavophone and Vlachi speaking "Greeks".

You see that makes you hypocrit ..............

[Risto the Great]

What makes you believe Macedonians are usurping Greek history Demos?
Is it based on your perception that modern Greeks have much to do with the ancient Hellenes?

You keep saying you are a proud race. We are yet to determine why, given that most of your (short) history is fueled by external assistance.

[osiris]

Many Greeks and historians around the world feel that you are usurping Greek history and that is the root cause of the issue. Your attempts to try and disqualify Greeks etc are laughable at best.

No historian takes your arguments with any measure of seriousness. Most people in the world agree with our historical point of view irrespective of what the government is Skopje thinks or is attempting to do.

the historians we are quoting are not macedonians demos, stop confusing the issue, have a look at who we use to reveal the true nature of modern greece, either westerners or neo greeks brave and honest enough to confront their fascist and racist inspired national myhts.

demos why dont you have the balls to post where in greece you are from so we can confirm your hellenic ancestry othewise we wiilll continue to treat you ae a true wannabbe

[Pelister]

Imagining your an ancient Greek (pagan), doesn't make you one. There is a rigorous process you have to go through before you are designated the title of "ethnic group" and no historian, anthropologist or linguist has been able to say clearly that there is an ethnic group we can call the Greeks.

[Demos]

Imagining your an ancient Greek (pagan), doesn't make you one. There is a rigorous process you have to go through before you are designated the title of "ethnic group" and no historian, anthropologist or linguist has been able to say clearly that there is an ethnic group we can call the Greeks.

I can find a million quotes from ancient sources which talk about the Hellenic nation. I can go to any ancient site and read what my ancestors wrote almost 2,000 years ago knowing only modern Greek.

Yet you cannot find 1 inscription in Macedonian prior to the 6th century AD in your so called "native" lands. Even everything which is coming out of the ground at Heraklea, which was the northern most ancient Macedonian city, is written in Greek. A language very foreign and different than the Slavic language which you speak.

Alexander the Great spread Greek language and culture. This is not a theory, but fact based on archaeological evidence.

Now look in the mirror and tell me who is the hack...

[Risto the Great]

I can find a million quotes from ancient sources which talk about the Hellenic nation. I can go to any ancient site and read what my ancestors wrote almost 2,000 years ago knowing only modern Greek.

Yet you cannot find 1 inscription in Macedonian prior to the 6th century AD in your so called "native" lands. .
God this is funny.
You got it wrong mate ... we cannot find any Slavic inscriptions dating back prior to the 9th century. Yet you said 6th century. We all know they were there for at least those 300 years ... yet nothing written ... my goodness, you sound a little silly now.

Hey, you never know, maybe they all came AFTER Kiril & Metodi because they could finally read the directions. :rolleyes:

[Soldier of Macedon]

Demo, how are you going with those 3,000 year old written documents in the Albanian language, you know, the most recent lie you tried to spread but are now running away from?

[Demos]

Demo, how are you going with those 3,000 year olod written documents in the Albanian language, you know, the most recent lie you tried to spread but are now running away from?

The same way you're going with showing me 1 document written in Macedonian prior to the Slavic migrations.

Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps neither you, nor the Albanians are natives after all.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Well, well, well, now you are admitting that 'perhaps' you may have been wrong about the Albanians? Lol, well then, perhaps you have been wrong in your assumptions about the Macedonians.

Whatever it is, at least all readers can clearly see how your arguments change to tailor and fit the current manipulation of history, you claim something, you cannot back it up, so you alter your story slightly and commence with the lies again. Its like the trial and error children are taught at school before developing the capability of logical estimation.

[Venom]

The same way you're going with showing me 1 document written in Macedonian prior to the Slavic migrations.

Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps neither you, nor the Albanians are natives after all.

Is that like how the greeks are CERTAINLY not natives to the region?

[Pelister]

I can find a million quotes from ancient sources which talk about the Hellenic nation. I can go to any ancient site and read what my ancestors wrote almost 2,000 years ago knowing only modern Greek.

Yet you cannot find 1 inscription in Macedonian prior to the 6th century AD in your so called "native" lands. Even everything which is coming out of the ground at Heraklea, which was the northern most ancient Macedonian city, is written in Greek. A language very foreign and different than the Slavic language which you speak.

Alexander the Great spread Greek language and culture. This is not a theory, but fact based on archaeological evidence.

Now look in the mirror and tell me who is the hack...

Demos, Amigo, I can see your struggling with some of this.

There was never a "Hellenic nation" and lets say that in the last 200 years, there was - we still can't find any ethnic Greeks. That is my point mate. Something of the ancient Greek culture survived, there is no doubt about that, but not in Modern Greece, not "on the ground" or from the grass roots. The European Powers created Modern Greece, its a fake nation. I mean anyone who wants to be an ancient Greek certainly has that right, whether they are Vlach, Albanian or Macedonian, but "imagining" your an ancient Greek doesn't make you one. The job of an anthropologist, linguist and historian is to save native people from this kind of abstraction, and have they got their work cut out for them. Hellenizing a person makes them a Modern Greek - not an ancient Greek.

[Venom]

No Demos, it's written in an ancient language which your own language is based upon.

Language does not equal ethnicity, despite what your bosses tell you.

[osiris]

what a pretensious wanker this little albanian demos is, his posts are trivial and predicatable and he doesnt have any balls. he bores me i have stopped reading anything he posts and will continue to challenge him to post his geographic background so we can get a glimpse into greekness, but so far nothing.

[TerraNova]

What's the point of this thread...?

Turks also turned to mosques most of the churches in Constantinople and Thessaloniki ,since they conquered the place,they decided great buildings to become mosques..

So what...?

[1946-1949]

The point of this thread is to highlight how barbaric and uncouth it was for the foreigners to try and desecrate the Greek temples.
Being one of the ancient wonders of the world, it is good to see that after all these attempts to destroy it, the Parthenon is still standing.
A symbolic beacon testifying to the glory of the ancient Hellenic culture and all that it has inspired in the modern world.

[Daskalot]

The point of this thread is to highlight how barbaric and uncouth it was for the foreigners to try and desecrate the Greek temples.
Being one of the ancient wonders of the world, it is good to see that after all these attempts to destroy it, the Parthenon is still standing.
A symbolic beacon testifying to the glory of the ancient Hellenic culture and all that it has inspired in the modern world.

stop your whining, you Christians of the Morea did not even consider those temple as yours, they were of a Pagan cult that was on par with devil worship according to the Patriarchate in Constantinople.

[Risto the Great]

A symbolic beacon testifying to the glory of the ancient Hellenic culture and all that it has inspired in the modern world.
I agree.
So why did it take other races of people to educate the peasants of the region about it? And now the peasants are the "experts" ... humorous to say the least.

[TerraNova]

stop your whining, you Christians of the Morea did not even consider those temple as yours, they were of a Pagan cult that was on par with devil worship according to the Patriarchate in Constantinople.

Parthenon in Byzantine era was a church of Virgin Mary.

[1946-1949]

I agree.
So why did it take other races of people to educate the peasants of the region about it? And now the peasants are the "experts" ... humorous to say the least.

Educate about what exactly?

[TrueMacedonian]

I can find a million quotes from ancient sources which talk about the Hellenic nation. I can go to any ancient site and read what my ancestors wrote almost 2,000 years ago knowing only modern Greek.

Yet you cannot find 1 inscription in Macedonian prior to the 6th century AD in your so called "native" lands. Even everything which is coming out of the ground at Heraklea, which was the northern most ancient Macedonian city, is written in Greek. A language very foreign and different than the Slavic language which you speak.

Alexander the Great spread Greek language and culture. This is not a theory, but fact based on archaeological evidence.

Now look in the mirror and tell me who is the hack...


Did Alexander really spread this Hellenic culture??? http://dor.huji.ac.il/HL_east.html

If you want I can provide you with more links about just that topic.

As for you claiming ancestors out of a dead ancient race :D lol ummm...how did you come across this cultural link? Was it perhaps 'regenerated'? Do you honestly think what you wrote above displays any type of sanity representing you and your mongrel folk? You the inheritors....lololol,,,inherited what? What Ottos new university in Athens taught you? Or what Byron wanted to make of a bunch of Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs, Turks, Armenians, etc. Your forefathers pre-independence did not even think that the Byzantine Empire was a "greek" empire. But they did know it was a christian empire. Demos maybe you need to reconsider your national history one more time and ask yourself why Athens was believed to be an Albanian village in the early 19th century.

[osiris]

Athens was believed to be an Albanian village in the early 19th century.
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not believed to be, it was an albanian and turkish villages, there were albanian speaking villages in attika well into the 20th century, in fact some old people living i attika now would have been born native albanian speakers . there is no doubt about that, i have personally been to some of those villages in 1956 1958 and witnessed everone in the village speaking albanian. i dont need a historian or a western tourist to tell me that.

[Risto the Great]

Educate about what exactly?
They needed other people to tell them it was not always a Mosque and had some relevance to a long forgotten race.

[TrueMacedonian]

not believed to be, it was an albanian and turkish villages, there were albanian speaking villages in attika well into the 20th century, in fact some old people living i attika now would have been born native albanian speakers . there is no doubt about that, i have personally been to some of those villages in 1956 1958 and witnessed everone in the village speaking albanian. i dont need a historian or a western tourist to tell me that.


You should see the new topic I started oh Egyptian God of all things sour in the modern "greeks" mouths ;)
For years Osiris has been saying it and for years the modern "greek" says it's not true. I'm here to say Osiris is right and todays imposter hellene was and is dead wrong.
Click Below
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=786

[Demos]

I wonder when Skopje will become an Albanian village? Tetovo already is...

[TrueMacedonian]

I wonder when Skopje will become an Albanian village? Tetovo already is...

Yawn....you are typical. You cannot face the fact that your own identity is fake and was created for you. You have to resort to questioning Macedonia and her minorities. You're a waste.

[osiris]

demos are you too ashamed of your birthplace to tell us where it is, or to afraid we might find out what you really are, and albanian christian wannabee hellene.

[Demos]

demos are you too ashamed of your birthplace to tell us where it is, or to afraid we might find out what you really are, and albanian christian wannabee hellene.

My birthplace is the city of Chania, Crete, Greece. Any other questions Herr Himler?

[Risto the Great]

I won't look.
But I will bet that it is the only known square metre of Greece that remained stoically untouched by foreign invaders. And that doves are know to chirp in the local dialect of ancient Greek ... sometimes quoting Homer.

[Demos]

I won't look.
But I will bet that it is the only known square metre of Greece that remained stoically untouched by foreign invaders. And that doves are know to chirp in the local dialect of ancient Greek ... sometimes quoting Homer.


The Venetians occupied Crete for 600 years, but it was later taken by the Ottomans who kept it until the early 20th century, but we revolted against them, remained an independent republic for a little bit, but then joined the motherland.

We cleansed the island of every Turk and Cretan Greek who converted to Islam (Cretan Turks) for monetary gain and title. So yes, what's left is pretty pure as we don't have any Albanians, Slavs, and the likes.

And we Cretans are the most patriotic of Greeks. We contributed greatly to the liberation of Macedonia from the Ottomans, as I'm sure you're very aware of the Cretan elements fighting as Makedonomaxoi in the mountains of Macedonia.

[TrueMacedonian]

The Venetians occupied Crete for 600 years, but it was later taken by the Ottomans who kept it until the early 20th century, but we revolted against them, remained an independent republic for a little bit, but then joined the motherland.

We cleansed the island of every Turk and Cretan Greek who converted to Islam (Cretan Turks) for monetary gain and title. So yes, what's left is pretty pure as we don't have any Albanians, Slavs, and the likes.

And we Cretans are the most patriotic of Greeks. We contributed greatly to the liberation of Macedonia from the Ottomans, as I'm sure you're very aware of the Cretan elements fighting as Makedonomaxoi in the mountains of Macedonia.


Crete had some slavic place names you know ;)

[Ne Smassen]

The Island of Crete has been violated more times than a $2 whore. But don't worry Demos, you're still a pure Greek. You're so pure that you might even be Minoan. But wait, that wouldn't make you Greek would it?

[osiris]

chania hahahha hitler would have considered you an inferior person malaka but according to dna testing you are closer to macedonians than mainland greeks hahaha very funny, a cretin wannabbe greek.