Tip Toeing Around Borders

[Venom]

A simple question friends:

Why are we as Macedonians so afraid to talk about Egej and Pirin and the borders that put there?

Did I miss something? Are we not supposed to talk about 1913?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Speak freely brother, for there are no borders here.

[Jankovska]

I know what you mean Venom, I always find it extremely surprising. Worst thing is even the Greeks refuse to talk about 1913 and it's something we have as proof as to what has been done to our country and people.
But another problem that I see here is Yugoslavia again, don't forget that we hardly studied Macedonian history in Yugoslavia, we studied everything after the second world war.
Macedonians must start educating themselves in history and must speak up.
SOM is right, there are no borders there. Greece will never allow us in the EU because than the borders come down and they are afraid of what Macedonians from Egej can do.
Trust me even if we change our name to no matter what we will not go into the EU if Greece is still part of it, you can change someone's name but you can not change who they are.

[Traveller]

But another problem that I see here is Yugoslavia again, don't forget that we hardly studied Macedonian history in Yugoslavia, we studied everything after the second world war.
Hahaha.EXACTLY! TITO KNEW VERY WELL WHY YOUR HISTORY BOOKS SHOULD START FROM 1945!!!
Why are we as Macedonians so afraid to talk about Egej and Pirin and the borders that put there?
I assure you, the hawks in Greece are waiting exactly for this.

[Rogi]

And? Are we supposed to fear you? We don't.


The latest developments have come finally after almost a whole century of Greek oppression. We know how to persevere through it all and we will get the truth out to the world.

"In the realm of ideas everything depends on enthusiasm... in the real world all rests on perseverance."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


You should know that there is no turning back now, some consequences are expected but well worth it.

"When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees."
- Kenneth Kaunda

[toothpaste]

And? Are we supposed to fear you? We don't.


The latest developments have come finally after almost a whole century of Greek oppression. We know how to persevere through it all and we will get the truth out to the world.

"In the realm of ideas everything depends on enthusiasm... in the real world all rests on perseverance."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


You should know that there is no turning back now, some consequences are expected but well worth it.

"When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees."
- Kenneth Kaunda

Are you from Australia..? Canada maybe ?

[GREEKoccupiedMacedonian]

But another problem that I see here is Yugoslavia again, don't forget that we hardly studied Macedonian history in Yugoslavia, we studied everything after the second world war.
Hahaha.EXACTLY! TITO KNEW VERY WELL WHY YOUR HISTORY BOOKS SHOULD START FROM 1945!!!
Why are we as Macedonians so afraid to talk about Egej and Pirin and the borders that put there?
I assure you, the hawks in Greece are waiting exactly for this.

Tito had his expansionist policies. They failed when they were exercised to the south of Vardarska.

The question is whether his expansionist policies are still being studied by the Republic of Macedonias' politicians?

[Rogi]

Tito did not have any real expantionist designs that include any part of what is within today's borders of Greece.

The Macedonian people however, have always had the idea, dream and hope of a free Macedonia. This was not the goal of only the Macedonians from what is today the Republic of Macedonia, who managed to achieve that goal, but also the hope of the Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia and Pirin Mscedonia - who were under no influence from Tito and Yugoslavia, but rather free-thinking Macedonians who could not accept occupation of their land from the Turks, only to be replaced with occupation from Turks and Bulgarians. They were Macedonians who wanted freedom for their land, Macedonia, and their people, the Macedonians.

Today, that millenia long dream of freedom for all Macedonians still exists. For the majority of all Macedonians it exists in the form of a belief in a Europe without borders, alongside human rights and freedoms for all.

[GREEKoccupiedMacedonian]

One of Titos' ambitions was to extend the Yugoslav state all the way down to the Aegean Sea. He wanted a warm sea water port. Thessaloniki would have given him this outlet if his dream was allowed to be realised. Also there was the communist agendas that were lurking in the underground and were part of the expansionist policies.
The allied forces which included Greece at the time, were wise to halt these ambitions.
Today, these policies are still trying to be implemented by irredentist and nationalistic means.

[Rogi]

If Tito saw that as part of his plans, he would not have stopped the Macedonians from going into Aegean Macedonia and liberating it, instead he re-routed them (killing the many Macedonians who wanted to go to Solun) and sent them to fight withdrawing troops in Trieste.

To most Macedonians around the world, Tito is seen as the one who destroyed the possibility of a free Macedonia.

Yugoslavia already had access to the port of Solun in those times.

Macedonia does not want an INCH of Greek territory.

[toothpaste]

If Tito saw that as part of his plans, he would not have stopped the Macedonians from going into Aegean Macedonia and liberating it, instead he re-routed them (killing the many Macedonians who wanted to go to Solun) and sent them to fight withdrawing troops in Trieste.

To most Macedonians around the world, Tito is seen as the one who destroyed the possibility of a free Macedonia.

Yugoslavia already had access to the port of Solun in those times.

Macedonia does not want an INCH of Greek territory.

When did that happened?(abt the "Macedonians wanted to go to Solun" etc)
And what would they do there? How many were the Macedonians living in Thessaloniki in 1940's ?? more than 1% of the population ?

As for Tito...why do u blame him? Wasn't the guy who created the federal socialist republic of Macedonia?
The one who was responsible of forming your language?
The one who recognized u as a separate nation,equal to the others of Yugoslavia?

Wasn't RoM's region under Bulgaria before?and Serbia before that?
You are at least unfair for blaming Tito-my opinion.

[GREEKoccupiedMacedonian]

Titos' expansionist plans are documented and it is well known that he wanted the Greek Macedonian territory.

His about face of the Yugoslav fighters from Thessaloniki was due to reasons other than him not wanting Greek land.

The Greek government believes the current administration of the RoM harbors irredentist claims towards the territories of Greek Macedonia.

[Rogi]

You know thats bullshit, as does your Government, so let's cut the crap on the forum.

That's your political game and the way you try and justify your bullying - you know there's no basis for it, there is absolutely nothing of substance that Greece can provide for any reasonable person to suggest that the Macedonian Government is planning on invading Greece. Or how else do you expect there to be irredentist claims from a foreign nation, other than a military invasion?

Or is it because you fear the problem within?

[GREEKoccupiedMacedonian]

Its not bullshit as Greece provided enough substance to convince the Nato members to keep the RoM out of Nato.

The bullshit is flowing down from the North wouldn't you say?

[Rogi]

No, not at all. I'd say the truth is finally coming out, that's what I'd say.

Keep an eye out for what's in store for y'all next.