The secrets of Macedonian civilization!

[indigen]

I think what needs to be stressed here is that the Kutlesko Sonce is our national symbol, but Macedonia has other symbols that need to be investigated and celebrated.

Having a rich history is nothing to be afraid of, quite the opposite.

That sounds reasonable enough to me and in that light I post the following:

Contemporary Macedonian Nation with Ancient Heritage and Roots!

Some images:


Macedonian Sun from 5500 BC

Neolithic inhabitation of the so called Porodin group on Pelagonija show a specific sign on living and burial. The archaeological material found in the many tombs near the Black river (map 4) show an exceptional knowledge of organising space, and semantic shaping of the Neolithic pots which are a clear testimony of the respect for the cult of the sun and the cult of the cosmos, (space, universe) and a longer cultural continuity with the oldest (up to now) registered solar symbols and diverse cosmographies, cosmogonies and cosmologies from around 5.500 B.C..

Macedonian Rally in Sydney (Martin Place) from 1993.


World Macedonian Congress (USA) Logo from 1992 publication.


Macedonian "Coat of Arms" used by a number Macedonian
community organisations in Australia since the mid 1990s.


Post card depicting a "coat of arms" with all the elements of
the Macedonian heritage. (Sydney, Australia - early 1990s).


Sydney Carnevale 1996

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[indigen]

I think what needs to be stressed here is that the Kutlesko Sonce is our national symbol, but Macedonia has other symbols that need to be investigated and celebrated.

Having a rich history is nothing to be afraid of, quite the opposite.

Agreeing with you and developing the theme, I suggest those with an enquiring mind look into the following symbol (also found above on the Golden casket from Kutlesh):

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Fleur-de-lis

The fleur-de-lis (or fleur-de-lys; plural: fleurs-de-lis; French pronunciation: [flœʁ də lis]) is a stylized lily (in French, fleur means flower, and lis means lily) or iris that is used as a decorative design or symbol.^ Decorative Tile: Fleur de Lis Design. It may be "at one and the same time, political, dynastic, artistic, emblematic, and symbolic", especially in heraldry.^ It may be purely ornamental or it may be "at one and the same time political, dynastic, artistic, emblematic and symbolic", especially in heraldry. It is represented in Unicode at U+269C (⚜) in the Miscellaneous Symbols block.

Usages
While the fleur-de-lis has appeared on countless European coats of arms and flags over the centuries, it is particularly associated with the French monarchy in a historical context, and continues to appear in the arms of the King of Spain and the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, members of the House of Bourbon. It remains an enduring symbol of France that appears on French postage stamps, although it has never been adopted officially by any of the French republics. In North America, the fleur-de-lis is often associated with areas formerly settled by France, such as Quebec, St. Louis, Louisville, and Louisiana, and with French-speaking people in other Canadian provinces.

.It is also the emblem of the city of Florence, and of the Swiss municipality of Schlieren.^ It is also the emblem of the city of Florence and of the Swiss municipality of Schlieren.

In Bosnia and Herzegovina, the flag of Bosnia-Herzegovina from 1992 to 1998 contained six fleurs-de-lis and is used as a national symbol of Bosniaks taken from old medieval bosnian flag that represented bosnian kingdom.

In the United Kingdom, a fleur-de-lis has appeared in the official arms of the Norroy King of Arms for hundreds of years.

The Welsh poet Hedd Wyn used Fleur de Lys as his pen name when he won his chair at the National Eisteddfod of Wales (Eisteddfod Genedlaethol Cymru), the national poetry contest.

It appears on military insignia and the logos of many different organizations, and during the 20th century it was adopted by various Scouting organizations worldwide for their badges.

Architects and designers use it alone and as a repeated motif in a wide range of contexts, from ironwork to bookbinding, especially where a French context is implied.^ How did a symbol once reserved for French royalty become such a favorite design for use in home décor?

As a religious symbol it may represent the Trinity, or be an iconographic attribute of the archangel Gabriel, notably in representations of the Annunciation.^ From France to England, to Florence, to Religious Symbolism, the Fleur-de-Lys has represented a virtuous force for good.

The symbol is also often used on a compass rose to mark the north direction, a tradition started by Flavio Gioja, a Neapolitan mariner of the fourteenth century.

[.....]

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Fleur-de-lis

[Bratot]

Description
Coin, Tetrobol, silver, autonomous issues, Ancient Greek, Amphipolis, Macedonia, 196-168 BC, Silver disc with designs in relief on either side. Obverse: Macedonian shield with six ray centre pattern. Reverse: Prow of galley right, greek inscription "coin of the Macedonians" and P in field right.

http://www.dhub.org/object/290706&img=80469

[Bratot]

Agreeing with you and developing the theme, I suggest those with an enquiring mind look into the following symbol (also found above on the Golden casket from Kutlesh):

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Fleur-de-lis

The fleur-de-lis (or fleur-de-lys; plural: fleurs-de-lis; French pronunciation: [flœʁ də lis]) is a stylized lily (in French, fleur means flower, and lis means lily) or iris that is used as a decorative design or symbol.^ Decorative Tile: Fleur de Lis Design. It may be "at one and the same time, political, dynastic, artistic, emblematic, and symbolic", especially in heraldry.^ It may be purely ornamental or it may be "at one and the same time political, dynastic, artistic, emblematic and symbolic", especially in heraldry. It is represented in Unicode at U+269C (⚜) in the Miscellaneous Symbols block.

Usages
While the fleur-de-lis has appeared on countless European coats of arms and flags over the centuries, it is particularly associated with the French monarchy in a historical context, and continues to appear in the arms of the King of Spain and the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, members of the House of Bourbon. It remains an enduring symbol of France that appears on French postage stamps, although it has never been adopted officially by any of the French republics. In North America, the fleur-de-lis is often associated with areas formerly settled by France, such as Quebec, St. Louis, Louisville, and Louisiana, and with French-speaking people in other Canadian provinces.

.It is also the emblem of the city of Florence, and of the Swiss municipality of Schlieren.^ It is also the emblem of the city of Florence and of the Swiss municipality of Schlieren.

In Bosnia and Herzegovina, the flag of Bosnia-Herzegovina from 1992 to 1998 contained six fleurs-de-lis and is used as a national symbol of Bosniaks taken from old medieval bosnian flag that represented bosnian kingdom.
In the United Kingdom, a fleur-de-lis has appeared in the official arms of the Norroy King of Arms for hundreds of years.

The Welsh poet Hedd Wyn used Fleur de Lys as his pen name when he won his chair at the National Eisteddfod of Wales (Eisteddfod Genedlaethol Cymru), the national poetry contest.

It appears on military insignia and the logos of many different organizations, and during the 20th century it was adopted by various Scouting organizations worldwide for their badges.

Architects and designers use it alone and as a repeated motif in a wide range of contexts, from ironwork to bookbinding, especially where a French context is implied.^ How did a symbol once reserved for French royalty become such a favorite design for use in home décor?

As a religious symbol it may represent the Trinity, or be an iconographic attribute of the archangel Gabriel, notably in representations of the Annunciation.^ From France to England, to Florence, to Religious Symbolism, the Fleur-de-Lys has represented a virtuous force for good.

The symbol is also often used on a compass rose to mark the north direction, a tradition started by Flavio Gioja, a Neapolitan mariner of the fourteenth century.

[.....]

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Fleur-de-lis

The Fleur de lys or more simply the Iris was used to symbolize Hera- and she on the other hand was symbol of the matriarchy.



Hera is also known as Pelasgian priestess/goddess of nature.

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&hl=pl&q=Hera+Pelasgian&btnG=Szukaj+ksi%C4%85%C5%BCek

Later the IRIS became a symbol of the Virgin Mary, in both the eastern and western Christianity.
It determines the characteristics of God, purity, innocence, kingdom, power, etc.

http://books.google.com/books?id=PpIZEEqB4y4C&pg=PA48&dq=Iris+ancient+symbol&hl=pl&ei=Iw3ITYjSFYmSOsS2pe0B&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Iris%20ancient%20symbol&f=false

Something obscurely writen:

There are iris species names - Iris mesopotamia and I. kashmiriana - that correspond to territories where Alexander the Great's army marched eastward as far as India in the fourth century B.C. This son of Philip of Macedonia was the first conqueror of Western civilization and as a result was a spearhead of ancient Greek culture. Other irises collected at around the same period reflect places that the Greeks colonized on Turkish shores - Iris trojana, I. cypriana and I. junonia.

The goddess Iris of Greek mythology was a beloved messenger of the gods, especially of Hera, who became Juno to the ancient Romans. She had golden wings and was the goddess of the rainbow. Iris traveled on the rainbow's arc, carrying commands and messages from the ancient gods to mankind. Iris married the west wind, Zephyrus. To this day, the Greeks plant irises on women's graves, believing that the goddess Iris will guide the souls of women to their last resting places.

In the Christian world, the fleur-de-lis came to be particularly sacred to the Virgin Mary. A legend tells of a knight who could never remember more than the two words Ave Maria of the Latin prayer that was said to honor the Holy Mother. Night and day, he continued his supplications with these two words. After many years, the old man died and was buried in the chapel yard of a convent. Proof of the acceptance of his brief but sincere prayer by the Virgin Mary came when a plant of fleur-de-lis grew upon his grave. On each flower, golden letters spelled out Ave Maria.

http://www.herbs2000.com/flowers/i_history.htm

Hera and Prometheus Interior of a Red Figure Kylix by Douris, found in Vulci.

Hera appears to be the sublime embodiment of strict matronly virtue, and is on that account the protectress of purity and married women. Faultless herself in her fidelity as a wife, she is essentially the type of the sanctity of the marriage tie, and holds in abhorrence any violation of its obligations. So strongly was she imbued with this hatred of any immorality, that, finding herself so often called upon to punish the failings of both gods and men in this respect, she became jealous, harsh, and vindictive. Her exalted position as the wife of the supreme deity, combined with her extreme beauty, caused her to become exceedingly vain, and she consequently resented with great severity any infringement on her rights as queen of heaven, or any apparent slight on her personal appearance.

more:

http://aworldofmyths.com/Greek_Gods/Hera.html

[julie]

Macedonian history stolen by Griks with their falsification of all of our symbols and the west continues to support the liars

[Vangelovski]

Isn't enough that on these coins depicting those shields is writen Makedon?

To whom else they would probably belong?

Point taken.

[George S.]

Do you know i never thought of it the macedonians were using the sun symbol long time before the greeks stttled the greek peninsula.THe macedonians worshipped the sun & used the sun symbol.

[Bratot]

On the first page I presented the plate from St. Sofia church in Ohrid which is dated 10-11 century:



The same symbol of eternity can be found in the church of St. Panteleimon in Skopje:

[Bratot]

I'm curious about the symbol of Macedonian Ministry of Defence, if there is any inspiration from the symbol of eternity, engraved on ancient Macedonian shields:

http://www.morm.gov.mk/morm/en/pr/contact.html

[Stevce]

According to the book VISOKA AND STARO BONCE.
In the quest for the location of the city of Pelagonia our attention was captured by the remains of the monumental tomb on Pavla Cuka at the southwestern corner of Staro Bonce on the borderline with the villages Bonce and Podmol. Among the renowned tombs of the so-called Pelagonian or Macedonian type discovered near the villages of Gorno Selo, Varos, Bonce, Suvodol, Lokveni and others, only the monumental tomb in Staro Bonce was executed by careful construction implementing at processing of stone blocks. It seems that there are multiple Macedonian type tombs which have been discovered in the Republic of Macedonia. Why not dig them up and show case them to the world?

[vicsinad]

Why not dig them up and show case them to the world?

Because according to Greece and Europe, Macedonians talking about their own history is equivalent to aggressive nationalism.