Framework Agreement needed in the USA

[Redsun]

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/26528/1/

Sunday 30th November.


A group of Macedonian intellectuals concerned with the increasing lack of media freedom, freedom of speech and general democracy in the United States that begun long before Ferguson, have submitted a letter to relevant organizations after the chaos following the Ferguson verdict.


The letter reads:

We are following the latest events in Ferguson, MO with special attention and great concern and call on all stakeholders for responsible and reasonable behavior, as well as an immediate dialogue between institutions.

The streets in Ferguson can not bring true justice, and disrespecting State and Federal institutions will inevitably lead to anarchy, react Macedonian intellectuals in their letter in light of recent events in Ferguson, United States.

"We call on the US armed forces and police to refrain from excessive use of force which drew the attention of OSCE requiring investigation and the reasons for arresting and preventing journalists from reporting in Ferguson. This is a classic violation of freedom of media, which we strongly condemn."

Reactions to the Ferguson verdict clearly shows that most of the American people do not trust your institutions nor do they expect equal treatment before the law (Ambassador Wohlers had said the very same to us, after the protests in the "Monster" case).

We are troubled by serious disturbances in the interracial relations in the United States and the deepening of mutual distrust, which can compromise the future of the country. We expect the government in Washington to take decisive measures to overcome such trends by signing a Framework Agreement followed by appropriate territorial divisions of the country. Should you decide on a referendum, Macedonia will not interfere in its outcome.

At the request of the US, Macedonia can send its investigative bodies for unbiased determination of the facts that led to the tragic events in Ferguson.

To quickly overcome the problems, an equitable representation of African Americans in Ferguson state bodies is immediately required. African Americans are two thirds of the total population in Ferguson, yet only 6% are represented in the police. This way, they will become equal citizens.

The Macedonian Embassy in Washington is carefully monitoring the deteriorating situation in the US.

US can count on Macedonia for support and assistance in the implementation of universal human rights, of course as long as they correspond to American interests. In this context goes the US efforts to undermine and rename Macedonians."

[George S.]

The americans have been losing the fight on many fronts.They have really retracted from any universal human rights.Not only that but they seem to tell us macedonians to change our name at the same time advocating extreme tolerance towards minorities etc.The americans are the ones who suffer from all kinds of problems and diseases.THey should be the last to advocate anything.Macedonia should decide for itself and not be dictated to by the usa.Just remember macedonia was a super power in the ancient times.The usa should be capable of understanding many of macedonia's problems.

[Redsun]

Spot on George, I couldn't have put it any better.

They killed almost every native Indian tribe
Used Africans for slavery
Abuse Mexican's and south Americans
Pay petty amounts to the immigrant employees
Racism is rampant within the country

Their justice is false. A deceptive image.

[Risto the Great]

Typical Macedonian sarcasm.
Only the stupid Macedonians accepted this situation for themselves. What makes them think any normal people would accept it for themselves.

[Redsun]

I thought it was satire.

[makedonche]

I thought it was sarcasm!!

[Sovius]

Something to add a little depth to the thread:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/03/where-outrage-st-louis-bosnian-community-sees-hammer-murder-as-hate-crime/

Insistence by St. Louis officials that the beating death of a Bosnian man was not a hate crime is being met with skepticism and anger, according to leaders of the city's 70,000-strong Bosnian community, and the victim's brother is calling on authorities to "investigate every possible motive."

Zemir Begic, a 32-year-old man who emigrated from war-torn Bosnia almost two decades ago in search of a better life, was bludgeoned to death Sunday, allegedly by a group of hammer-wielding teenagers, one of whom has been charged as an adult. Begic was driving with his fiancee, Arijana Mujkanovic, and a male passenger at about 1:15 a.m. Sunday in St. Louis when five teenagers began pounding his vehicle with a hammer, according to police. When Begic confronted them, he was struck in the mouth, face, head and body with hammers and died at a nearby hospital.

"Zemir was a good person who would have given you the clothes off his back," his 20-year-old brother, Rasim Begic, told FoxNews.com Tuesday. "He never had any problems with anyone."

"He was my role model and a hero," the younger Begic said of his brother, noting that he pushed his fiancee out of harm's way during the attack.

"Bosnians right now have an impression that this was a hate crime."
- Sadik Kukic, president of St. Louis' Bosnian chamber of commerce
The murder early Sunday of Begic has sparked protests, some consciously patterned after those taking place just 20 miles away in Ferguson, where the police shooting of a black man and a subsequent grand jury decision not to indict a police officer prompted racial anger and a federal civil rights probe. But the St. Louis Police Department and Mayor Francis Slay are insisting Begic’s death, allegedly at the hands of black and Latino teenagers, was not based on racial or ethnic hate.

"Investigators do not believe the attack on Mr. Begic had any connection to him being of Bosnian descent," St. Louis Police spokeswoman Schron Jackson said in a statement. In subsequent emails, Jackson made clear: "Investigators don't believe the incident is in any way related to Ferguson" and "The incident is not being investigated as a hate crime."

The St. Louis Police Department is now working in conjunction with the city prosecutor to determine a motive. Authorities told FoxNews.com there is no evidence at this time suggesting the murder was racially motivated.

But a string of previous crimes involving poor minorities and Bosnians in a tough area on the southwest side of the city has many in the Bosnian community questioning whether Begic's death was racially motivated.

"Bosnians right now have an impression that this was a hate crime," said Bosnian Chamber of Commerce president Sadik Kukic, who met Monday with the city's mayor and police chief to discuss the murder.

"We don't know if it's a hate crime," Kukic cautioned, though he claims there have been several racially-charged crimes against his community, including last year’s murder of a Bosnian convenience store clerk.

According to a criminal complaint released Tuesday, Begic and his fiancee were walking to their car when they heard a group, including at least of the defendants, yelling. As Begic drove away, one of the teenagers, "jumped on the back of his car and began hitting it," the complaint said. Unsure of what was happening, Begic stepped out of his vehicle and was approached by the individuals, one of whom "taunted" him and "challenged him to a fight," according to the document. Begic was then allegedly assaulted by four men and struck with a hammer and fell to the ground. Three others continue to beat him before the group fled on foot, police said.

Robert Joseph Mitchell, 17, has been charged as an adult with first-degree murder and armed criminal action in early morning attack. Two others, ages 15 and 16, are in custody, and a fourth suspect remains at large, according to police.

Kukic said hundreds of protesters rallied the past two nights in the Little Bosnia neighborhood in response to Begic's killing, with many chanting "Bosnian lives matter" -- an echo of the "Black lives matter" chant heard in Ferguson after 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot and killed by a police officer.

Zemir Begic was a teenager when he and his family fled Bosnia in the aftermath of a bloody civil war. In America, he found work, friends and love before meeting a cruel fate, his family said.

"We were all born in Bosnia and we came here in 1996," Rasim Begic said of Zemir and two other siblings. "We came to America thinking it was going to be a better life. Our family and friends were being killed over there."

"He loved every race," Rasim Begic said of his older brother, a karate instructor who will be buried in Waterloo, Iowa, where some of his family lives. "He had friends all over the world."

"He loved kids. He loved music," Begic said. "Our family will never be the same."


It would seem that we see the world in the way in which others would wish us to see it.

[Sovius]

Here's some facts and testimony from the case that have typically been de-emphasized by socialist factions in America's media to promote the present civil unrest that the country is presently in the midst of. I'm well aware that individualist media has it's own agenda, but this list can be independently verified, so I've got to run with the evidence. I found it interesting that only one news report that I came across mentioned that the Bosnian kid's assailants were African-American. I'm not a lawyer, but isn't beating someone from another race to death with a hammer that you don't know a hate crime? Would it be considered at least somewhat racist to beat someone to death who is of another race with a hammer? The grand jury concluded that Michael Brown never had his hands up and forensics teams concluded that he was never shot in the back. According to grand jury testimony given by Ferguson residents, he hit the officer and tried to take his gun, ran off after the gun went off in the police car and then charged at him, apparently reaching towards his waist band, as if to draw a weapon. Mainstream media has been using the power of insinuation to paint a much different picture. Other lives in the area have already been lost to this fanning of the flames. A little girl in Ferguson lost her eye and many African American families have lost their businesses to arson and looting. What is a free press that doesn't allow information to flow freely in order to let people make up their own minds? We've got football players over here, the one's that wear helmets and suffer irreversible brain injuries by the time their 35, protesting with the "hands up, don't shoot" gesture on the field. The power of myth, it would seem, has always been on equal footing with the truth.


1. Surveillance video showed that shortly before the confrontation, 18-year-old Brown stole cigarillos from a convenience store and shoved a clerk who tried to stop him.

2. The autopsy report showed that Brown had marijuana in his system when he died.

3. Officer Wilson, driving from the scene of a medical emergency, first encountered Brown walking in the middle of a street and told Brown and his friend to walk on the sidewalk. Brown responded with an expletive.

4. Wilson chose to confront Brown only after he saw the cigarillos in his hand and recalled the radio report of a robbery at the convenience store.

5. Wilson said when he tried to open his car door, Brown slammed it back shut, then punched Wilson in the face.

6. Fearing another punch could knock him out, Wilson drew his gun, he told the grand jury, and Brown grabbed the gun, saying "you are too much of a pussy to shoot me."

7. An African-American witness confirmed that Brown and Wilson appeared to be "arm-wrestling" by the car.

8. Another witness saw Brown leaning through the car's window and said "some sort of confrontation was taking place."

9. After Wilson fired a shot that struck Brown's hand, Brown fled and Wilson gave chase. Brown suddenly stopped. An unidentified witness told the grand jury that 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged at Wilson with his head down. Wilson said Brown put his hand under the waistband of his pants as he continued toward Wilson. That's when Wilson fired.

10. A witness testified that Brown never raised his hands.

11. Gunpowder found on the wound on Brown's hand indicated his hand was close to the gun when it fired. According to a report, the hand wound showed foreign matter "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm."

12. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist who reviewed the autopsy for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, said the gunpowder "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has particulate matter in the wound."

13. Wilson said Brown was physically uncontrollable and "for lack of a better word, crazy." He said that during the confrontation, he was thinking: "He's gonna kill me. How do I survive?" Legal experts say police officers typically have wide latitude to use deadly force when they feel their safety is threatened.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ferguson-shooting-13-facts/2014/11/25/id/609483/