Question to the Greeks

[spitfire]

Why do you think I'd make it into a Macedonian Vs Greek thing?

I'm just stating the bloody obvious...

Your analogy between champagne and feta is completely irrelevant, and stupid.

Champagne and other wine varieties have copyright and trademark protection because of the name of the regions that the product originates from.
Where as you're basing your argument on the word 'slice'.
You can 'slice' virtually anything, that doesn't mean it should be exclusively 'greek' in origin, nor should you have the resulting commercial rewards of that.

That logic is common in most things named 'greek'...coffee, baklava, feta, salad...I've even seen an online recipe for fried fuckin fish labelled as 'greek'...the list is endless, as the moussaka post that started this clearly illustrates...

Really? Just because champagne happens to be called under the territory it's being produced, it is not what makes it protected.

So your argument here is wallowing in stupidity.

What is also wallowing in stupidity is you blindness. I already wrote why I think baklava and coffee are turkish (the coffee is arabic), but you didn't even see it.

Another wallowing stupidity of yours is that you simply can't understand that seeing something on the net, doesn't mean that Greece is responsible neither for the posting or your wallowing stupidity to take it as an officially and certified thesis.

And by doing all of the above, you turn this into a Greece vs Macedonia issue by stating that most Greeks wallow in stupidity. DON'T LIE, everything is writen.

[Philosopher]

Why do you think I'd make it into a Macedonian Vs Greek thing?

I'm just stating the bloody obvious...

Your analogy between champagne and feta is completely irrelevant, and stupid.

Champagne and other wine varieties have copyright and trademark protection because of the name of the regions that the product originates from.
Where as you're basing your argument on the word 'slice'.
You can 'slice' virtually anything, that doesn't mean it should be exclusively 'greek' in origin, nor should you have the resulting commercial rewards of that.

That logic is common in most things named 'greek'...coffee, baklava, feta, salad...I've even seen an online recipe for fried fuckin fish labelled as 'greek'...the list is endless, as the moussaka post that started this clearly illustrates...

You have a point Phoenix.

Edit: At the same time, when you think about it, the word "feta" is Greek.

[Phoenix]

No matter how hard you try to turn this into a Macedonia vs Greece issue, you won't make it.

I think that you wallow in stupidity and this means you alone!

Why do you think I'd make it into a Macedonian Vs Greek thing?

I'm just stating the bloody obvious...

Your analogy between champagne and feta is completely irrelevant, and stupid.

Champagne and other wine varieties have copyright and trademark protection because of the name of the regions that the product originates from.
Where as you're basing your argument on the word 'slice'.
You can 'slice' virtually anything, that doesn't mean it should be exclusively 'greek' in origin, nor should you have the resulting commercial rewards of that.

That logic is common in most things named 'greek'...coffee, baklava, feta, salad...I've even seen an online recipe for fried fuckin fish labelled as 'greek'...the list is endless, as the moussaka post that started this clearly illustrates...

[Philosopher]

As for the first part, it is exactly like so. Of course you can make white cheese. Everybody can. But under a certain name this product is protected.
So "Feta" is Greek because under the name "Feta" it has become very popular and and a good selling point if white cheese beared that name.

Where it comes from? I really, honestly can't say. But when you say Feta you mean Greek white cheese, not Italian white cheese.

I agree.

Feta is Greek white cheese. Macedonian feta is just white cheese. The name feta is protected, again, similar to Cognac.

[spitfire]

I think that most Greeks wallow in stupidity.
That would include spitfire.

No matter how hard you try to turn this into a Macedonia vs Greece issue, you won't make it.

I think that you wallow in stupidity and this means you alone!

[spitfire]

I think that is about right. In Macedonian, we call it "white cheese". Yes, feta is a trademark of sorts, similar to other names, but "white cheese", which is the same thing in the Eastern Mediterranean, is not under the trademark.

So I would say I think it is highly likely that something resembling a sliced "white cheese" originated in south west Asia, and was later called feta by the Greeks.

As for the first part, it is exactly like so. Of course you can make white cheese. Everybody can. But under a certain name this product is protected.
So "Feta" is Greek because under the name "Feta" it has become very popular and a good selling point if white cheese beared that name.

Where it comes from? I really, honestly can't say. But when you say Feta you mean Greek white cheese, not Italian white cheese.

[Phoenix]

It is not him that is wallowing in stupidity. He is expressing the general consensus about the origin of the cheese and that the word feta is of Hellenic origin.

I think an argument can be made -- I cannot prove it -- that something resembling "feta" originated in the Middle East and was adopted by the Greeks. I suspect that the Greeks called it "feta", since it was served sliced.

All speculation on my part.

I think that most Greeks wallow in stupidity.
That would include spitfire.

[Philosopher]

Who's wallowing in stupidity?

I think you need to read again exactly what I wrote. Since 2002, "feta" has been a protected designation of origin product in the European Union. According to the relevant EU legislation, only those cheeses produced in a traditional way in some areas of Greece (mainland and the island of Lesbos), and made from sheep's milk, or from a mixture of sheep and goat's milk (up to 30%) of the same area, may bear the name "feta". However, similar white-brined cheeses (often called "white cheese" in various languages) are found in the Eastern Mediterranean and around the Black Sea.

Designation of origin product is why you cannot produce under the name "champagne" wine anywhere in the world except France. The name used for non French champagne is sparkling wine.

So I'm expecting you now to reconsider "the wallowing in stupidity", since you see me as an enemy because I'm Greek, instead of thinking me as an individual, you arrogant piece of selfishness!

I think that is about right. In Macedonian, we call it "white cheese". Yes, feta is a trademark of sorts, similar to Cognac, but "white cheese", which is the same thing in the Eastern Mediterranean, is not under the trademark.

So I would say I think it is highly likely that something resembling a sliced "white cheese" originated in south west Asia, and was later called feta by the Greeks.

[Philosopher]

I don't know of too many cheeses anywhere in the world that aren't served sliced or that can't be sliced...should they too be known as exclusively 'greek' products...and while you're wallowing in stupidity, perhaps you can put a copyright or trademark on the ubiquitous sliced bread found in convenience stores all over the western world...you'd have a strong case, sunshine.
Afterall, you gave the western world 'culture' and feta means 'slice'...

It is not him that is wallowing in stupidity. He is expressing the general consensus about the origin of the cheese and that the word feta is of Hellenic origin.

I think an argument can be made -- I cannot prove it -- that something resembling "feta" originated in the Middle East and was adopted by the Greeks. I suspect that the Greeks called it "feta", since it was served sliced.

All speculation on my part.

[spitfire]

I don't know of too many cheeses anywhere in the world that aren't served sliced or that can't be sliced...should they too be known as exclusively 'greek' products...and while you're wallowing in stupidity, perhaps you can put a copyright or trademark on the ubiquitous sliced bread found in convenience stores all over the western world...you'd have a strong case, sunshine.
Afterall, you gave the western world 'culture' and feta means 'slice'...

Who's wallowing in stupidity?

I think you need to read again exactly what I wrote. Since 2002, "feta" has been a protected designation of origin product in the European Union. According to the relevant EU legislation, only those cheeses produced in a traditional way in some areas of Greece (mainland and the island of Lesbos), and made from sheep's milk, or from a mixture of sheep and goat's milk (up to 30%) of the same area, may bear the name "feta". However, similar white-brined cheeses (often called "white cheese" in various languages) are found in the Eastern Mediterranean and around the Black Sea.

Designation of origin product is why you cannot produce under the name "champagne" wine anywhere in the world except France. The name used for non French champagne is sparkling wine.

So I'm expecting you now to reconsider "the wallowing in stupidity", since you see me as an enemy because I'm Greek, instead of thinking me as an individual, you arrogant piece of selfishness!

[Phoenix]

Feta cheese and all its variants is Greek. The origin of the name has received protection. It's like the champagne for the French. The very word "Feta" means "slice" in greek. This is how it should be served. In slices.

I don't know of too many cheeses anywhere in the world that aren't served sliced or that can't be sliced...should they too be known as exclusively 'greek' products...and while you're wallowing in stupidity, perhaps you can put a copyright or trademark on the ubiquitous sliced bread found in convenience stores all over the western world...you'd have a strong case, sunshine.
Afterall, you gave the western world 'culture' and feta means 'slice'...

[spitfire]

Also, in the case you read it in wikipedia, there is no mention of potatoes in the Moussaka greek dish. It also states that it is eaten hot.
Both incorrect. There's potatoes and everybody knows that it is better eaten when not hot.
Also, it is not "usually" with minced meat, but always with minced meat and the white cream on top.
This is why my girlfriend doesn't prepare it so often. It takes time.

[spitfire]

Which is more common, potatoes or eggplant? Or do you use both in the same dish?

We use both.

Etymologically speaking, Baklava and Moussaka are both of non-Greek origin. I have never heard of Turkish Baklava with peanuts, always nuts, though I confess I have never eaten "Turkish Baklava".

All Baklava I have read about, including south west Asian, include nuts, like Walnuts, Almonds, Hazelnuts, Pistachios, et al.

Where did you read that Turkish Baklava has peanuts?

Of course mate. All these sweets, well almost all, sound turkish to me too.
If you go let's say to Constantinople (or "Is tin poli" that means "To the city" in Greek, and from there it became Istanbul in turkish) you will see that the turks use mostly peanuts instead of nuts.
This doesn't mean that these sweets are greek. I only mentioned it as a distinct difference in the preparation.

[Philosopher]

Mousaka is made with potatoes and eggplant in Greece.

Which is more common, potatoes or eggplant? Or do you use both in the same dish?

Baklava I think was a case where Turkey "won" it but I'm not sure. The turks use peanut and the greeks use nut when they make it. Actually this difference in the use of peanuts and nuts is common between the turks and the greeks when preparing sweet griddle.

Feta cheese and all its variants is Greek. The origin of the name has received protection. It's like the champagne for the French. The very word "Feta" means "slice" in greek. This is how it should be served. In slices.

One humoristic story about the Greek coffee. It is also called Turkish coffee in Greece. So when officials from Turkey and Greece met and they ordered coffee, the greeks ordered greek coffee and the turks turkish coffee. They ended up drinking the same coffee, which by the way is arabic in origin.

Etymologically speaking, Baklava and Moussaka are both of non-Greek origin. I have never heard of Turkish Baklava with peanuts, always nuts, though I confess I have never eaten "Turkish Baklava".

All Baklava I have read about, including south west Asian, include nuts, like Walnuts, Almonds, Hazelnuts, Pistachios, et al.

Where did you read that Turkish Baklava has peanuts?

[Philosopher]

spit fire there are somany variants that leaves one chuckling .we have similar situations .For example sarma is the dish with cabbage leaves with mince meat.The greeks use vine leaves.I tried it i don't like it i prefer cabbage leaves .Leaves that have been pickled.We have our tafche gradche which is beans in a pan.We actually make it like a stew with different meats,.dried ribs,pork meats ,or even macedonian sausages diced up.EWe heave
so many other foods.

No, George. Stuffed grape leaves is a different dish than wrapped cabbage. They are both widely prepared in Macedonia, and both eaten.

The only difference I see is that we use fermented cabbage and the Greeks don't.