Questions about the future of Aegean Macedonia from a Greek

[EricTheRed]

Hello, while I more or less understand the MTO's views about the dispute between Macedonia and Greece, I havent been able to fully clarify your opinion on what should be done with Aegean Macedonia.

I understand that you seek official recognition for the macedonian minority, protection, equal rights etc, and I agree with that. So far so good. Lets assume this happens, let's even assume Greece recognizes Macedonia as Macedonia and the FYROM thing is dropped. Would the MTO cause be fulfilled at that point? I'll ask bluntly, would there be any TERRITORIAL dispute after that? Do you seek our part of macedonia to secede/be taken by force etc? Because you should understand that while there may live 500k(lets say) Macedonians in these land today, there are even more Greeks(including myself). What do you plan to do with us??? We cant just disappear from the whole region.

Dont get me wrong, I did not sign up to provoke or anything like that, I just want to understand what you actually want to achieve. If your aims involve reclaiming lost lands, MTO is no different than the despicable Golden Dawn.

[Tomche Makedonche]

An exercise in forward thinking - “what happens next”, a very interesting and important question that would require serious thought and may spark an even more serious debate due to likely variances of individual circumstances and views. There is a multitude of factors which would require consideration as a result of such an event, however as this question has been specifically directed at the MTO, being an incorporated entity, if consensus in such an aspect has yet to have been adequately discussed or reached between its founders, it would be my personal opinion that an allowance of time to address such a question is fitting under the circumstances.

[Chiche]

Eric, comparing the Golden dawn with the MTO IS SICK, these lads do not go and bash those who seek human rights. If Greece did lose its 50% of Macedonia, I can assure you the Macedonians would not send hundreds of thousands of Greeks South in the middle of winter with no food!!! We would allow you to live amongst us in Peace.

[EricTheRed]

Eric, comparing the Golden dawn with the MTO IS SICK

Dont misunderstand me, I am not comparing the MTO as I view it now with Golden Dawn, this would be absurd, I was just stating that if the MTO supported a solution like the one you denied in your post, well, the 2 organizations would then be comparable(replace Aegean Macedonia with Constantinople, Cyprus etc etc, dunno what these fascists rly want).

[Chiche]

Dont misunderstand me, I am not comparing the MTO as I view it now with Golden Dawn, this would be absurd, I was just stating that if the MTO supported a solution like the one you denied in your post, well, the 2 organizations would then be comparable(replace Aegean Macedonia with Constantinople, Cyprus etc etc, dunno what these fascists rly want).

Eric I did not deny a thing! When Greece does lose it's part of Macedonia we will treat the Greeks with respet, we will not abuse and kill them!!!!!!!!

[EricTheRed]

Maybe I used the wrong word, english is not my mother language as you can notice. I am not accusing any1 of anything, was just asking, so yeah ''deny'' was a poor choice.

[Niko777]

Because you should understand that while there may live 500k(lets say) Macedonians in these land today, there are even more Greeks(including myself). What do you plan to do with us??? We cant just disappear from the whole region.

Macedonians would look to the constitution of the Krushevo Republic, which guaranteed rights for everyone living in Macedonia. We respect everyone, we only ask for the same respect back and for loyalty to Macedonia, that is, not to work for the annexation of Macedonia to neighboring countries.

But I think if Macedonia was ever reunited, the Greek national myth would naturally collapse in the country meaning more and more "Greeks" would rediscover/accept their real ancestral roots, whether they were Macedonians, Vlachs, Roma, Arvanites, Karamanlides, Pontians, Armenians, Georgians, Cappadocians, Thracians, etc.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Hello, while I more or less understand the MTO's views about the dispute between Macedonia and Greece, I havent been able to fully clarify your opinion on what should be done with Aegean Macedonia.

I understand that you seek official recognition for the macedonian minority, protection, equal rights etc, and I agree with that. So far so good. Lets assume this happens, let's even assume Greece recognizes Macedonia as Macedonia and the FYROM thing is dropped. Would the MTO cause be fulfilled at that point? I'll ask bluntly, would there be any TERRITORIAL dispute after that? Do you seek our part of macedonia to secede/be taken by force etc? Because you should understand that while there may live 500k(lets say) Macedonians in these land today, there are even more Greeks(including myself). What do you plan to do with us??? We cant just disappear from the whole region.

Dont get me wrong, I did not sign up to provoke or anything like that, I just want to understand what you actually want to achieve. If your aims involve reclaiming lost lands, MTO is no different than the despicable Golden Dawn.

Welcome.

I don't speak on behalf of the MTO, but only from my perspective. Short answer is probably no. Who knows if circumstances will change beyond our life time, but for now the most important thing is rights and recognition for those living in the occupied regions of Macedonia. The population distribution in Aegean Macedonia is far different now than it was 50-100 years ago, which would render it almost impossible to regain such territories anyway. I think only the western part of Aegean Macedonia would be able to secede successfully in this day and age.

But that's not the point. As I mentioned earlier the emphasis should be on human rights and recognition of the Macedonian minority. Not just in Aegean Macedonia, but throughout all regions of Macedonia, the Balkans and even the world at large. The MTO cause is more about the enrichment of the Macedonian people as opposed to simply 'getting back at the Greeks.' Even with recognition, there is an on-going obligation to improve the conditions and rights of Macedonians.

That said, I'd consider your scenario impossible, if not, highly unlikely. There isn't even a glimpse of Greece recognising Macedonia as a nation in the long-term. Greece are notorious for ignoring the existence of all minorities within their borders. It's therefore difficult to predict what would eventuate. We can only speculate so much.

[Macedonian_Nationalist]

They did a population exchange and sent the indigenous population away to foreign lands and brought in Christians from Asia Minor to live on our land. It's too late obviously to send them back because these people have lived on our land for generations.

Quite sad really that the Greeks wiped out an entire population that would have been about 2 million people today (all ethnic Macedonians)

[Risto the Great]

Hello, while I more or less understand the MTO's views about the dispute between Macedonia and Greece, I havent been able to fully clarify your opinion on what should be done with Aegean Macedonia.

I understand that you seek official recognition for the macedonian minority, protection, equal rights etc, and I agree with that. So far so good. Lets assume this happens, let's even assume Greece recognizes Macedonia as Macedonia and the FYROM thing is dropped. Would the MTO cause be fulfilled at that point? I'll ask bluntly, would there be any TERRITORIAL dispute after that? Do you seek our part of macedonia to secede/be taken by force etc? Because you should understand that while there may live 500k(lets say) Macedonians in these land today, there are even more Greeks(including myself). What do you plan to do with us??? We cant just disappear from the whole region.

Dont get me wrong, I did not sign up to provoke or anything like that, I just want to understand what you actually want to achieve. If your aims involve reclaiming lost lands, MTO is no different than the despicable Golden Dawn.

Hi Eric, there is no need to read anything more into the Cause as defined than what is there. "The cultural unification and solidarity of the Macedonian people living in all parts of historical Macedonia and adjacent territories, as well as Macedonians throughout the world;"

If the above rights are achieved, I see no need for anything more for the Macedonians of Greece. The specific nature of the population exchanges in the 1920's in Greece with the massive influx of former Turkish nationals has ensured the population is mixed and any suggestion of territorial realignments is impractical in my opinion.

The great hope with EU entry that many Macedonians had 10 years ago was that Macedonians would more freely interact with each other across the borders. I'm not convinced this would happen. There is still massive racism in Greece and it is the only thing the Greeks do really well nowadays. I can't see things changing for some time yet.

If Macedonians in Greece become passionate about their ancestral nation, they certainly have the right to pursue their interests. But if they have the rights described above, I am convinced they would not bother seeking more.

This is my opinion which I am sure will not deviate terribly from the MTO opinion.

[EricTheRed]

From the above statements I understand that your cause is good, reasonable and promotes stability for our region in the long run.

Cheers and good luck with that.

[George S.]

welcome etr you seem to be a decent & understanding greek .