Fascinating Diaspora On Macedonian Election

[Risto the Great]

Hollow my fellow Makedonski's. CT be carefull the bleach sniffer and Chris will BAN YOU.

Boge, seriously what is your problem?
Do you think anyone should tolerate morons that demand answers yet fail to reply? It would be safe to construe they are niggling little trolls ... like you.

What do you do for kicks Boge? Have a look at your post history and let me know what intelligence you believe you have shared with this forum.

What is it that gets up your nose on this forum? Is it the lack of compromise the MTO is passionate about? Is it the opposition to the Serb loving Vladika and his divisive actions in Australia? Is it the Macedonian Cause as defined here that offends you? Feel free to delve into your pea-brained mind for a moment and share your pearls.

I will safely assume you are at a similar successful level in real life as well. Does your boss know you are here?

[Boge]

Hollow my fellow Makedonski's. CT be carefull the bleach sniffer and Chris will BAN YOU.

[Risto the Great]

So reply to my answers.
By the way, I don't have a PhD in economics. I find that economists can't predict shit. You MUST be an economist. Humour me and reply to the response I gave you.

You can't be mean to me in person. Only online and quite frankly it hasn't been mean ... more like .... apologetic & optimistic. Again, respond in kind because presently you are not backing up any of your statements.

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=100628&postcount=94

Give it your best shot and tear it apart mate. I will even coin a new term for the "erection" on the graphs. I will call it the "Viagraisation" of new EU member economies. Fabulous short lived moments.

Tie that in with "living the dream" here while you are at it:

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5595

Presently I am inclined to delete any future posts of yours until I receive a response. Lets see if you can keep your end up.

p.s. When you did your thesis, did you use the words "advice" and "conclutions" the way you have in your response to me? Or was that level of penmanship mainly reserved for your Starbucks job application?

Country Trader, you have repeatedly failed to respond to my answers directly. Instead trying to bluff your way through some kind of moral superiority. You have posted on other threads since this time. I will ban you from this forum if you cannot respond. I bothered to respond to you and I expect the same decency in return.

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=100628&postcount=94

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Why are you guys wasting your time with this troll? can't you see that his account name is a dead give away? you will never convince him that EU won't benefit Macedonia.

This argument will just go in circles until one of you decides to ban his clown ass.

[Risto the Great]

Of course I've read your answers. I love you and I laugh so much thanks to you. Tell me, when you got your Ph.D, did you also incorporate the words "whores and erections" in your thesis?

Chris, lets kiss up and move on. I've had a great time talking to you and I hope you dont feel I've been mean to you. But, I still advice you to be careful of what you write and say in the selected area of subject. You don't want to look like a fresh junior who just graduated out of high-school with faulty conclutions

Off to work....

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So reply to my answers.
By the way, I don't have a PhD in economics. I find that economists can't predict shit. You MUST be an economist. Humour me and reply to the response I gave you.

You can't be mean to me in person. Only online and quite frankly it hasn't been mean ... more like .... apologetic & optimistic. Again, respond in kind because presently you are not backing up any of your statements.

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=100628&postcount=94

Give it your best shot and tear it apart mate. I will even coin a new term for the "erection" on the graphs. I will call it the "Viagraisation" of new EU member economies. Fabulous short lived moments.

Tie that in with "living the dream" here while you are at it:

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5595

Presently I am inclined to delete any future posts of yours until I receive a response. Lets see if you can keep your end up.

p.s. When you did your thesis, did you use the words "advice" and "conclutions" the way you have in your response to me? Or was that level of penmanship mainly reserved for your Starbucks job application?

[Vangelovski]

CT,

I'm not going to clutter these threads so that you can ignore the evidence again. Further, I stated that there is an abundance of evidence that none of what you claim will occur - that is not the same as stating that they will definatley not occur!

Further, you still have not explained how relocating to Macedonia is taking the "ultimate moral ground"?

[Currency Trader]

Oh good, you read my answers but have chosen not to respond to them.
Country Trader, please discuss my answers to your questions in the appropriate thread(s) and do not take them out of context.

Of course I've read your answers. I love you and I laugh so much thanks to you. Tell me, when you got your Ph.D, did you also incorporate the words "whores and erections" in your thesis?

Chris, lets kiss up and move on. I've had a great time talking to you and I hope you dont feel I've been mean to you. But, I still advice you to be careful of what you write and say in the selected area of subject. You don't want to look like a fresh junior who just graduated out of high-school with faulty conclutions

Off to work....

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[Risto the Great]

Oh good, you read my answers but have chosen not to respond to them.
Country Trader, please discuss my answers to your questions in the appropriate thread(s) and do not take them out of context.

[Currency Trader]

Vanglovski said;

Again, you are implying that one can only legitimately hold a view on Macedonian affairs if they reside in Macedonia…. the issues we are debating are universal REGARDLESS OF LOCATION OR WEALTH

Negative - you can discuss all you want about natural rights, sovereignty, democracy, transparancy and accountability. But why not turn discussion into real action for the sake of showing Macedonian citizens how a country or politics should be? You seem to have the wit to become the ultimate politician in Rep of Macedonia. What's stopping you, Vanglovski, to take the big leap and relocate to Macedonia and replace a “shitty politician”?

You’re avoiding the questions for the third time.


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[Currency Trader]

Vangelovski said:

Its all here on the public record. It seems that everyone is aware of it except for you

If the so-called “evidence” is here on public record, how come you cannot even post, cut’n paste, or refer to which specific evidence you’re talking about? I asked you to provide specifics, either from RtG or anyone else, of what you call “evidence”, but it appears that you are not even capable of that, young man.


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On the question why Macedonia should not have any debt, despite the fact that every country has some form of debt on their national balance sheets.


RtG answers with his “evidence”;
“I have an acquaintance who draws down money against his credit cards to pay for whores”

Is this the evidence you are talking about?

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On the question what specifically has EU created for Bulgaria that RtG calls "pretty picture of the magic".


RtG answers with his “evidence”:
“Lot like my acquaintance who borrows money for whores. Though rumour has it he might actually have something to show for it .... now”


Is this the evidence you are talking about?

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On the question of what RtG understands from a chart he posted on Bulgaria showing a decline in economic activity (late 2008) and rise in unemployment from historically low levels....

RtG answers with his “evidence”:
“Big red line have erection.”

Is this the evidence you are talking about?

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Or how about these from “Julie”, 04-14-2011, 03:49 PM

“Bulgaria is also being crippled financially”
“There is no economic prosperity for Macedonia with EU membership”

Is this the evidence you are talking about?

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Here we have you, Vangelovski, stating your “evidence” that Macedonia will not experience economic growth, increase of foreign investments, reduction of unemployment and boost of living standard after joining the EU.

Vanglovski 04-07-2011, 06:50 PM
"...there is abundant evidence that none of these will occur"


But here is the 2011 flip flop award, two months later……


Vangelovski 06-06-2011, 06:26 PM
“…You can no more prove your views of the EU's benefits than I can disprove them”


You went from “there is abundance of evidence” that Macedonia will NOT experience any benefits by joining EU….only to flip flop and now say “I cannot disprove the EU benefits” for Macedonia joining EU - Sure you can disprove the EU benefits, you claim to have “abundance of evidence” that there will be no EU benefits. Where is that evidence young man?



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[Soldier of Macedon]

It’s quite possible they may enter without “losing” its national identity on fulfillment of EU qualifications.

By 'national identity' I will assume you're also including the name of the state - which is exactly the point of contention for both the European 'leaders' and even more so the Greek government. With this in mind, can you please outline the reasons why you think it is (quite) possible for Macedonia to become an EU member using its official name?

[Risto the Great]

So you obviously distinguish between Macedonian in Macedonia and Macedonians outside of Macedonia - why? And how do you classify Macedonians under Greek and Bulgarian occupation, who may not necessarily even speak Macedonian?

Further, what do you mean by "serve the country"?

I would say "native Macedonians" can mean ethnic Albanians under his definition. I didn't expect to be surprised by his definition but alas, here I stand before you. What a pitiful definition CT. Do you want to have another crack at it?

[Vangelovski]

CT,

You are now avoiding the obvious - a name change will only get Macedonia a date for accession negotiations. There will be literally hundreds of further opportunities for Greece to demand other capitulations before it can actually become a EU member. We know you are willing to change our name and put the final nail in the coffin of our sovereignty and natural rights for an accession date, but what else are you willing to betray us on for the actual membership?

[Vangelovski]

Vanglovski


Negative – You can certainly discuss any issue pertaining natural rights, sovereignty, democracy, transparancy and accountability. The point of the matter is that some of you dismiss ALL Macedonian politicians as “shitty”. And some of you think that all Macedonian institutions (except for taxation) have zero governance.

So I say, it’s easy to sit some 15 000 kilometers away from Macedonia and literally dismiss all Macedonian politicians and what they (government) so far have achieved in terms of institutional build-up and improvement.

I further say, you can discuss all you want about natural rights, sovereignty, democracy, transparancy and accountability, but why don't some of you take the ultimate moral ground and replace those “shitty politicians” that you call in RoM?

I mean, you seem to have the wit to become the ultimate politician in Rep of Macedonia. Why not turn discussion into real action for the sake of showing Macedonian citizens how a country or politics should be?

What's stopping you, Vanglovski, to take the big leap and relocate to Macedonia?


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How is relocating to Macedonia taking the "ultimate moral ground"? That does not even make any sense. Again, you are implying that one can only legitimately hold a view on Macedonian affairs if they reside in Macedonia. Again, that is perverted Gligorovism - the issues we are debating are universal REGARDLESS OF LOCATION OR WEALTH.

[Vangelovski]

Vangelovski


Again, which “evidence” are you referring to? You’re not providing any specifics.
For the second time, which “evidence” has RtG provided?


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Its all here on the public record. It seems that everyone is aware of it except for you. Have you been itentionally ignoring it or are you just playing stupid?