Why the lack of protests in Macedonia?

[Prolet]

They go everywhere Jankovska, how can you say such things??

17 police officers were injured, vehicles were damaged and you are condoning this behavior?? You are forgetting that there were riots in Bit Pazar too not so long ago so you are right the law applies to everyone.

http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/sedumnaeset-policajci-povredeni-vo-incidentot-vo-shuto-orizari

[fyrOM]

RTG not cooked. The Macedonian suffering has been long and the future is filled with treachery and peril but then with Macedonia’s history…eh what’s new. When your dead your dead but until then there is hope.

[fyrOM]

The government is not and should not be the guarantor of last resort. The farmers went into a private business arrangement which went bad. Boo Hoo. How I would like the government to cover my loses if an investment of mine went bad but it doesn’t. tough - that’s business.

It does not mean the right to strike says paralyse the roads until the government covers your loses. In Melbourne the taxi drivers made a strike in one of the main intersections stopping traffic and causing traffic problems in all the other streets. The government let them have their strike for the weekend then asked them to move before Mondays peak hour traffic would be disrupted. They refused and the police were ordered to forcibly remove them. If they started belting the police then they would have been belted. How is this different from the then strikes in Macedonia. After a few people were dragged off the taxi drivers gave up and disbanded rather then get into a fight with the police. The Macedonian difference I have rights koj sum jas see point 4 of my previous post failing to recognise rights have obligations and limitations which you refuse at your peril and they got belted. Tough - maybe they will know for next time.

Is the government all bad. No. has not the government introduced subsidies to help the farmers and you will recall in relatively recent reports the farmers were happy. The government also made stricter laws so that entrepreneurs cannot swindle the farmers see point 4 and what could have been point 8 strpenie spacenie. Also the government sent out teams to help farmers fill out the forms for subsidies and explain contracts. Give the government a chance. You yourselves as interested Macedonians surely realise how far back Macedonia is in everything. Finally we have a government doing things. Give them a chance. Even God took a week and he didn’t have multitudes of wolves from all sides snapping at his feet. Could the government do more or better. Yes. But lets not blame them for wasted time of the previous 15 years or so.

[Risto the Great]

A slightly different 7 points.

1. Navedena gla sabja ne seci
A bowed head the sword does not cut
Also Titos secret police.

2. Ura da zivej drugar Tito. Da zivej Jugoslavia or else you wont.
Hurray long live Comrade Tito. Long live Yugoslavia. - or you wont. Clap when everyone else is clapping.

3. Daskalot I rabotejne vo tajna
The Teacher (a.k.a Goce Delcev) and working in secret
Also Tito and the Macedonian puppet government under Tito.

4. Koj sum jas.I Gupinot go klale da bidi car za den
(do you know) Who am I and the story of the gypsy who became king for a day.
Also Tito making it easy for the people from an impoverished Macedonia to want to emigrate
and send money home to poor loved ones ie making the diaspora into a foreign currency cash
cow. Funny how the foreign currency always stayed in Belgrade.


5. Nema. Ke vrvime nekoko.
There isn’t any. We’ll get by somehow.
Also Tito keeping most industries in Serbia Croatia and Slovenia creating an impoverished
Macedonia to make num 4.

6. Prikaznata za toj sto ukradil kokoska
The story of a man who stole a chicken.
Also Tito and the Macedonian puppet government and their relatives and friends and their friends ect.
The culture of you have to know someone to get something done.

7. Spiuni - spit - no need to explain
Spies and traitors - spit - no need to explain
Also Tito and the civilian spies supporting his secrete police.

Strange how Tito features in each of these points. And the Greeks say he is our mother and father and Jesus Christ.

Strpenie spacenie. Ne gubi nada.
Patience (is a) savoir. Don’t loose hope.

If you understand the above then you have answered your own question as to why.

Wow. So close it hurts I reckon. Out of the 500 year Ottoman frying pan into the 100 year Titoist fire. I think Macedonians are surely well and truly cooked now. But now they have nobody to blame but themselves!

[Risto the Great]

Afterall vladata najmnogu krade, siptarite rascvetaa biznisot so droga i prostitucija but we are sending the police to Sutka and to beat up the stecajci. Well done to them, kakvi mazi se. When I see them in Bit Pazar I will amen, till than it's all for political propaganda to gain Vmro yet another shitty point. it makes me sick

Well said Jankovska.
I think Macedonia often kids itself about matters such as this. It often tries to look like the perfect European country living the dream of European enlightenment. Meanwhile, they are selling "YIKE" sneakers and other ripoffs in Greece while the Africans go from person to person in Greek restaurants selling fake music CD's.

Tourists often like that cheap shit. Who gained from shutting the Roma down?

[fyrOM]

My reference to gupci is quoting Pelisters post.
In Gostivar the Pazarna Inspekcia probably have Albanians working for them and they know the I see no crime etiquette when a policeman takes his hat off for a moment.

[Jankovska]

The Pazarna Inspekcia obviously expected trouble and called in the police. Which part of Prolets post It wasnt peaceful at all the Gjupci threw punches and attacked the police. They were Pazardzii who were selling fake clothing and the Pazarna Inspekcija ordered for the material to be seized into trucks so the Pazardzii attacked them.

did you not understand to ask someone selling gaki doesn't need so much police to go heavy on them.

and also I am not making excuses but......ah yes you are.

That is just one side of the story. I think it might have a lot to do with the fact that it's all Gjupci right (which is an offensive term and you should use Romi). I wonder why Pazarna inspekcija doesn't do this in gostivar? How did they know they will be attacked? They had more police than in 2001? Or was this part of the plan? Wait until you hear both sides of the story, it is not going to be the first time the police has been brutal to people. Remember the stecajci, the mlekari? They all got beaten by the police. This filled the papers because it was 'Gjupci' in question.
When did you last go to Bit Pazar? Why not go with the police there? Why not? What about all the butici that buy roba from the same place?
A jacket in Bulgaria in Ilienci is 20 evra in Strumica Global is 6000 denari. Why not send the police there? Or shall we take the 'Gjupci' coz they are the easiest to beat up, right? Why not send the police in Crvenkovski's house, Gruevski and site ajduci in Makedonija? If there is a law there should be for everyone. Not different for the Siptari but different for the 'Gjupci'. At least they are trying after all discrimination they are facing in Macedonia to stay off the streets and earn some money. Afterall vladata najmnogu krade, siptarite rascvetaa biznisot so droga i prostitucija but we are sending the police to Sutka and to beat up the stecajci. Well done to them, kakvi mazi se. When I see them in Bit Pazar I will amen, till than it's all for political propaganda to gain Vmro yet another shitty point. it makes me sick

[fyrOM]

The Pazarna Inspekcia obviously expected trouble and called in the police. Which part of Prolets post It wasnt peaceful at all the Gjupci threw punches and attacked the police. They were Pazardzii who were selling fake clothing and the Pazarna Inspekcija ordered for the material to be seized into trucks so the Pazardzii attacked them.

did you not understand to ask someone selling gaki doesn't need so much police to go heavy on them.

and also I am not making excuses but......ah yes you are.

[fyrOM]

A slightly different 7 points.

1. Navedena gla sabja ne seci
A bowed head the sword does not cut
Also Titos secret police.

2. Ura da zivej drugar Tito. Da zivej Jugoslavia or else you wont.
Hurray long live Comrade Tito. Long live Yugoslavia. - or you wont. Clap when everyone else is clapping.

3. Daskalot I rabotejne vo tajna
The Teacher (a.k.a Goce Delcev) and working in secret
Also Tito and the Macedonian puppet government under Tito.

4. Koj sum jas.I Gupinot go klale da bidi car za den
(do you know) Who am I and the story of the gypsy who became king for a day.
Also Tito making it easy for the people from an impoverished Macedonia to want to emigrate
and send money home to poor loved ones ie making the diaspora into a foreign currency cash
cow. Funny how the foreign currency always stayed in Belgrade.


5. Nema. Ke vrvime nekoko.
There isn’t any. We’ll get by somehow.
Also Tito keeping most industries in Serbia Croatia and Slovenia creating an impoverished
Macedonia to make num 4.

6. Prikaznata za toj sto ukradil kokoska
The story of a man who stole a chicken.
Also Tito and the Macedonian puppet government and their relatives and friends and their friends ect.
The culture of you have to know someone to get something done.

7. Spiuni - spit - no need to explain
Spies and traitors - spit - no need to explain
Also Tito and the civilian spies supporting his secrete police.

Strange how Tito features in each of these points. And the Greeks say he is our mother and father and Jesus Christ.

Strpenie spacenie. Ne gubi nada.
Patience (is a) savoir. Don’t loose hope.

If you understand the above then you have answered your own question as to why.

[TrueMacedonian]

Over 30% unemployment in the country,,,, I think that its been this way for a very long time. In my opinion anywhere else the government would have been toppled. I think the people should gather and protest the unemployment of the State and ask why it has changed little and what the government will do to help the people.

[Jankovska]

Julie, It wasnt peaceful at all the Gjupci threw punches and attacked the police. They were Pazardzii who were selling fake clothing and the Pazarna Inspekcija ordered for the material to be seized into trucks so the Pazardzii attacked them. Elvis Bajram who is the Mayor of Suto Orizari and the son of Amdi Bajram accused the police and pazardzii.

Why did the pazrna inspekcija go with so much police? I am not saying or approving of what they do for a living but why take with you tons of police? Za predizvik? As far as I am concerned these people are making money. If you go in sutka to buy armani you know it's fake. Wembley market is the same in the uk and many markets. I am not making excuses but someone selling gaki doesn't need so much police to go heavy on them.

[Prolet]

Julie, It wasnt peaceful at all the Gjupci threw punches and attacked the police. They were Pazardzii who were selling fake clothing and the Pazarna Inspekcija ordered for the material to be seized into trucks so the Pazardzii attacked them. Elvis Bajram who is the Mayor of Suto Orizari and the son of Amdi Bajram accused the police and pazardzii.

[julie]

Prolet, how did injuries happen in a peaceful potest?

[Prolet]

There were protests today actually in Shutka, there were people injured.

[Jankovska]

i have been asking myself the same thing for a very long time now. In my opinion and this is just my opinion (so don't shoot me) I think it's few factors that I see to be the reason

1) Centuries of slavery where people have lost confidence and don't realise how good they are and they can be. We have been raised and so have our parents and great parents in a mentality that says everyone is better than us: the Serbs, the Bulgarians, the English, the Germans etc. This is something that has really pulled us back. People in Macedonia should wake up and realise they are sooo lucky to be Macedonians, they are special and no one is better than them. They look at everyone else and think they are better than them. They try to be someone else. I was raised that way to think, wow ona e srbinka ili toj e anglicanec wow, but when I moved I realised I am so cool coz I am Macedonian. If you don't believe in yourself you've lost it all

2) Education. Education is something that is missing alot in Macedonia or has been missing for decades. In Jugoslavian time we praised Jugoslavia, it's how it was. People left school vo osmo oddelenie to work in factories because that was possible. Now days a lot of the kids go through school and after matura still can't read. Why? Because of corrupted education system, usless commie teachers. My history teacher called us Sloveni all the time, no wonder everyone comes out of school thinking yes we are Sloveni. We study the Slav migration as our history. You can't fight for something if you don't firmly believe in it. People don't firmly believe in it because in a way they haven't been educated properly. It's the sad truth. I say and it sounds mean but many uneducated people have the right to vote these days, that is why Macedonia is where it is.

3)Government- we have never had anyone who can make you feel proud. I thought for a moment Grujo is the person and he isn't. We need someone who will take drastic matters to look after the people, to show them that all is not lost and they have themselves and the country to fight for. We need a strong patriotic leader.

4) Diaspora- In the past the Diaspora played a massive part into making the Macedonians to believe that it's all roses in the west. No one came and said Macedonia is great. Everyone came and said: A be da vidis sto ti e Germanija? Are you kidding me? This has stuck with the normal Macedonians.

5) Poverty- best way to control people. The more you take away from them the more hope they loose. People in Macedonia don't believe anymore. We want them to but they don't. Years of bad leadership has left them to think about providing bread not if they will go on protests or not. The ones that are in jobs will be scared to protests in case they are seen and loose their job

6) Corruption has made people think ima leb samo za bogatite i ako si bogat you can get away with anything. It's still very true.

7) Spies and traitors- no need to explain

What to do to change it? Change the above and have strong leadership.