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people from what i can see boge likes to be a stirrer. but boge i think you often go too far. many people who supported the brat like rogi said only did when he was seeming to do his job properly. when he started saying things like lets change the name, they stopped supporting him. this is fair enough. you can only go by what the latest actions are.
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Originally posted by Boge View PostMate you were a Brat ljube supporter, You organised disco's for him, gave him money! That's cool! Just stay out of Macedonian matters
Boge, how do you feel about UMD...?
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostBoge,
Who supports "Brat Lube" and a name change? Who stated their "intentions" publically? Who organised fund raisers?
Are you another UMD fanatic trying to desperately take some pressure off the great Meto and his unwavering and public support for a name change, the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement?
How about putting you real name behind your statements?
Pozdrav
Boge
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Actually, I'm only 25 and didn't organise any Disco's for anyone, it's all a bit before my time. You may have me confused?
All I've ever known is to be a proud Macedonian and support an independent Macedonia and the Macedonian cause.
So, if I may ask, or if I may reverse the questions a little: why have you kept out of Macedonian matters given how seemingly all-knowing and all righteous your portray to be? Surely you have an excellent excuse for abandoning and not helping the Macedonian people?
Let me encourage you to start...
Try posting something of use to the Macedonian cause, rather than a baseless and cowardly attack on fellow Macedonians.Last edited by Rogi; 03-19-2010, 10:36 AM.
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Originally posted by Rogi View PostYou are mistaken. There are no supporters of Ljube Boskovski here. The Macedonians you listed have only ever 'attacked' (in your sense of the word) individuals who have opposed the Macedonian Cause, not Macedonians who disagree with their opinions.
Let's take this a step at a time...
Ljubco Georgievski was once supported by patriotic Macedonians, he was brought into the leadership of what would become a patriotic Macedonian political party under the guise of DOOM. You may not be aware of this group.
At the time, he was one of the few Macedonians in Macedonia and outside calling for Macedonian independence, while everyone else was dreaming of a Yugoslav eternity.
During that time, at which VMRO-DPMNE had strong support by (initially very few and soon quite many) Macedonians in the Diaspora, as VMRO-DPMNE had made only pro-Macedonian statements and had taken only pro-Macedonian actions and Ljubco Georgievski was its' leader making those statements and taking those actions, which did lead to a Macedonian independence.
His positions changed, almost immediately after gaining power, and that quickly became quite evident, even his closest supporters dropped him for the traitor that he is.
Similarly, it happened with Ljube Boskovski, who at a time when Macedonia was at war, did stand up for Macedonia. He did not give in then, and he was sold out by Macedonians and he went to jail, spending some 4 years in jail, for defending Macedonia.
The support for him, was the support that should be given to any Macedonian who stands up to defend Macedonia and all that while, he had espoused nothing but patriotic sentiment.
Until he came back to Macedonia and decided to get messed up in politics again, where his new views (opposite to the statements he gave 5 years prior) where in support of changing a name and other anti-Macedonian positions. Immediately, his support dropped too.
So, what you have here is Macedonians who support an ideology, a cause, and will support fellow Macedonians who share that cause.
When those individuals, whether they are leaders or at the grassroots level, deter from the cause, they are immediately cut off, because the support is not for them as individuals, but as vessels for furthering the Macedonain Cause.
Yet you seem to mean to imply something here on Macedonians who support a Macedonian Cause?
Perhaps you could look at the Macedonian history, if you're at all knowledgable on the subject, and see if you will express the same implied sentiment, in the same manner as you imply in your post above, for all the Macedonian patriots and soldiers (cheta) who fought for an independent Macedonia, only to later find the leader of their organisation to turn out to be a traitor.
What I find interesting, is where you sit on all of this and where you sat 20 years ago before independence? What are your thoughts on the Interim Accord? What are your thoughts on the Framework Agreement?
I'd also like to know if you still have a photo of Tito in your living room, did you pray to him at night, and did you hope there would never be an independent Macedonia?
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Originally posted by Boge View PostSo here we are, we have supporters of Brat Ljube and his intentions in Changing Macedonia’s name, Supported by the likes of Indigen, Paul, Vangelovski, Rogi, Soldier of Macedonia…. These are supporters of the Man and have publicly stated their intentions. Oh, I think there was someone else who even organised a disco as a fund raiser.
So chaps you all asked the community to give for Brat Ljube.
You also took it upon yourselves to attack individuals who disagreed with your opinions. Where do you stand now?
Who supports "Brat Lube" and a name change? Who stated their "intentions" publically? Who organised fund raisers?
Are you another UMD fanatic trying to desperately take some pressure off the great Meto and his unwavering and public support for a name change, the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement?
How about putting you real name behind your statements?
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You are mistaken. There are no supporters of Ljube Boskovski here. The Macedonians you listed have only ever 'attacked' (in your sense of the word) individuals who have opposed the Macedonian Cause, not Macedonians who disagree with their opinions.
Let's take this a step at a time...
Ljubco Georgievski was once supported by patriotic Macedonians, he was brought into the leadership of what would become a patriotic Macedonian political party under the guise of DOOM. You may not be aware of this group.
At the time, he was one of the few Macedonians in Macedonia and outside calling for Macedonian independence, while everyone else was dreaming of a Yugoslav eternity.
During that time, at which VMRO-DPMNE had strong support by (initially very few and soon quite many) Macedonians in the Diaspora, as VMRO-DPMNE had made only pro-Macedonian statements and had taken only pro-Macedonian actions and Ljubco Georgievski was its' leader making those statements and taking those actions, which did lead to a Macedonian independence.
His positions changed, almost immediately after gaining power, and that quickly became quite evident, even his closest supporters dropped him for the traitor that he is.
Similarly, it happened with Ljube Boskovski, who at a time when Macedonia was at war, did stand up for Macedonia. He did not give in then, and he was sold out by Macedonians and he went to jail, spending some 4 years in jail, for defending Macedonia.
The support for him, was the support that should be given to any Macedonian who stands up to defend Macedonia and all that while, he had espoused nothing but patriotic sentiment.
Until he came back to Macedonia and decided to get messed up in politics again, where his new views (opposite to the statements he gave 5 years prior) where in support of changing a name and other anti-Macedonian positions. Immediately, his support dropped too.
So, what you have here is Macedonians who support an ideology, a cause, and will support fellow Macedonians who share that cause.
When those individuals, whether they are leaders or at the grassroots level, deter from the cause, they are immediately cut off, because the support is not for them as individuals, but as vessels for furthering the Macedonain Cause.
Yet you seem to mean to imply something here on Macedonians who support a Macedonian Cause?
Perhaps you could look at the Macedonian history, if you're at all knowledgable on the subject, and see if you will express the same implied sentiment, in the same manner as you imply in your post above, for all the Macedonian patriots and soldiers (cheta) who fought for an independent Macedonia, only to later find the leader of their organisation to turn out to be a traitor.
What I find interesting, is where you sit on all of this and where you sat 20 years ago before independence? What are your thoughts on the Interim Accord? What are your thoughts on the Framework Agreement?Last edited by Rogi; 03-14-2010, 04:58 PM.
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So here we are, we have supporters of Brat Ljube and his intentions in Changing Macedonia’s name, Supported by the likes of Indigen, Paul, Vangelovski, Rogi, Soldier of Macedonia…. These are supporters of the Man and have publicly stated their intentions. Oh, I think there was someone else who even organised a disco as a fund raiser.
So chaps you all asked the community to give for Brat Ljube.
You also took it upon yourselves to attack individuals who disagreed with your opinions. Where do you stand now?Tags: None
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