Damaging NY Times Letter Destroys Bulgarian Propaganda

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  • Liberator of Makedonija
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    Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
    Let me post some more about V.N. Madoloff because he came up in my research for my 'Macedonians in America' book.

    His full name is Velko Nikola Madoloff. He was born in 1880 in what is listed as Belitsa in Aegean Macedonia (His World War 2 draft card simply says Beliza, Macedonia, and 1940 US Census says Greece...in the 1920 Census he listed his birthplace as Macedonia but it was crossed out and Greece was written over it; in 1930 Census it was just Macedonia). Apparently, as he tells it, the Turks killed his father when Velko was just a boy. He fled to Bulgaria at age eleven, where he joined Bulgaria's army and swore to avenge his father's death. He was then sent by IMRO to speak in US on the Macedonian situation and plead for Western support/money. He settled in southern California and joined the US Army around 1910 or 1911.

    He wrote several articles for the newspapers, including that NY Times one, which was definitely pro-Macedonian. IN an Oakland Tribune article in 1915, he explains why he believed Bulgaria was Macedonia's best bet:

    "Bulgaria must have Macedonia as the price of her entry into the war on the side of the allies. It is her rightful due, especially as the people in many of the towns and territories in that country favor Bulgaria's cause. At the time of the Balkan war 20,000 volunteers from Macedonia joined the Bulgarian army. The inhabitants of Macedonia realize that they would receive more freedom in religion and other matters from Bulgaria than from any other of the Balkan states."

    Like many Macedonians of the time, he felt that Bulgaria was a better bet for protecting Macedonians' freedoms. After World War I, we see how he distances himself from Bulgaria's cause.

    He died in 1962 in Alameda, California.

    Did he seek for the incorporation of Macedonia into Bulgaria permanently or just temporarily so that Bulgaria could help form an independent Macedonia?

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  • vicsinad
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    Let me post some more about V.N. Madoloff because he came up in my research for my 'Macedonians in America' book.

    His full name is Velko Nikola Madoloff. He was born in 1880 in what is listed as Belitsa in Aegean Macedonia (His World War 2 draft card simply says Beliza, Macedonia, and 1940 US Census says Greece...in the 1920 Census he listed his birthplace as Macedonia but it was crossed out and Greece was written over it; in 1930 Census it was just Macedonia). Apparently, as he tells it, the Turks killed his father when Velko was just a boy. He fled to Bulgaria at age eleven, where he joined Bulgaria's army and swore to avenge his father's death. He was then sent by IMRO to speak in US on the Macedonian situation and plead for Western support/money. He settled in southern California and joined the US Army around 1910 or 1911.

    He wrote several articles for the newspapers, including that NY Times one, which was definitely pro-Macedonian. IN an Oakland Tribune article in 1915, he explains why he believed Bulgaria was Macedonia's best bet:

    "Bulgaria must have Macedonia as the price of her entry into the war on the side of the allies. It is her rightful due, especially as the people in many of the towns and territories in that country favor Bulgaria's cause. At the time of the Balkan war 20,000 volunteers from Macedonia joined the Bulgarian army. The inhabitants of Macedonia realize that they would receive more freedom in religion and other matters from Bulgaria than from any other of the Balkan states."

    Like many Macedonians of the time, he felt that Bulgaria was a better bet for protecting Macedonians' freedoms. After World War I, we see how he distances himself from Bulgaria's cause.

    He died in 1962 in Alameda, California.

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  • Liberator of Makedonija
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    Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
    Bump, showed this topic to a bulgarophil after heinsisted that Tito brainwashed Macedonians and he just brushed it off saying it’s not a credible source lol.
    Do you have the next page? Curious to see the justification for not fighting on the Serbs' side.

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  • TrueMacedonian
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    Bump, showed this topic to a bulgarophil after heinsisted that Tito brainwashed Macedonians and he just brushed it off saying it’s not a credible source lol.

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  • Rogi
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    During the Ovcharani panagir, where thousands of Macedonians get together, there is also a Greek one running parallel to it, just 50 meters away. The Greek one in 2008 had about 8-10 people plus a band.

    They were forced to listen to Macedonian and watch my friends and I dance and sing in Macedonian at the restaurant right next to them (which had a Macedonian band playing Macedonian musc). Our music was intentionally louder than theirs.

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  • Risto the Great
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    Originally posted by Lerinec View Post
    I live in R. of Macedonia, but I do go there from time to time.
    I got family,houses,land,trees, I got everything there, and let me tell you something you don't know, Greeks are not allowed to come in Oshcima!
    There is a big panel sign at the beginning of the village that states Melliti Greece, the Macedonian population that counts 97% erased Melliti Greece, and wrote Oschima, Macedonia! Let's say this village is like a country inside a a country (држава во држава). Where are you from?
    Are you sure?
    Meliti has a real Macedonian name of Voshtareni/Ovcharani.

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  • Lerinec
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    Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
    We should also take into account that the Serbs were trying to Serbianize the population in Vardar Macedonia with brutal tactics such as burning down centuries old monasteries and torture of individuals. This could also be a reason why he sides with the Bulgars even though he does not state this. Didn't Misirkov have a very strong view against the Serbs around the same time? I'm not trying to downplay what the Bulgars were and are doing in Pirin either. It just becomes matter of opinion at the time I guess.

    Back in the time, Macedonians weren't afraid from Serbs or Bulgars, they were afraid from the Macedonians themselves. It doesn't hurt when a stranger stubs a knife into your back, but, indeed, hurts when a brother stubs a knife into your back!

    you got my point


    Macedonians were never afraid from anything, as a matter of fact our existence through out the years it's a proof that we are the bravest in the world!

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  • Lerinec
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    Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
    We should also take into account that the Serbs were trying to Serbianize the population in Vardar Macedonia with brutal tactics such as burning down centuries old monasteries and torture of individuals. This could also be a reason why he sides with the Bulgars even though he does not state this. Didn't Misirkov have a very strong view against the Serbs around the same time? I'm not trying to downplay what the Bulgars were and are doing in Pirin either. It just becomes matter of opinion at the time I guess.
    hehehe, I have been living here in Macedonia for 22 years, and let me tell you something, we hate Serbs here, the only place that Serbs can spread their Shumadiska propaganda is in the villages around Kumanovo. Having in mind that the villages around Kumanovo have a majority Albanian population leave us with the fact that Serbia is drowning and has no chance to spread their propaganda, to be honest they would not exist by the time of 2013, because slowly but surely Vojvodina will go apart from serbia, which leaves Serbia to a 40% of land of what it was back in the years.
    Well we have a saying here in Macedonia, "Господ Гледа!."

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  • Lerinec
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    Do you live in Lerin?
    I live in R. of Macedonia, but I do go there from time to time.
    I got family,houses,land,trees, I got everything there, and let me tell you something you don't know, Greeks are not allowed to come in Oshcima!
    There is a big panel sign at the beginning of the village that states Melliti Greece, the Macedonian population that counts 97% erased Melliti Greece, and wrote Oschima, Macedonia! Let's say this village is like a country inside a a country (држава во држава). Where are you from?

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  • TrueMacedonian
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    Originally posted by makedonin View Post
    I agree with Orovnichanec and SoM.

    What I find interesting is the fact that this dude is aware of who he is, so his statement "even though not Bulgarian".

    He still sold his soul to the Bulgars cause they showed some simpathy toward his suffering under Turkish tyranny.

    That this simpathy was based on territorial aspirations and assimilation was apperantly of less concern to him, which is false.

    We should also take into account that the Serbs were trying to Serbianize the population in Vardar Macedonia with brutal tactics such as burning down centuries old monasteries and torture of individuals. This could also be a reason why he sides with the Bulgars even though he does not state this. Didn't Misirkov have a very strong view against the Serbs around the same time? I'm not trying to downplay what the Bulgars were and are doing in Pirin either. It just becomes matter of opinion at the time I guess.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Do you live in Lerin?

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  • Lerinec
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    Dobrodoide Lerinec

    thank you for having me!

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Dobrodoide Lerinec

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  • Lerinec
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    Greetings to everyone from Lerin, Aegean Macedonia!!!

    about the Bulgarian lies/history!......



    this is how the Tatarian Mongols or today's Bulgarians looked like




    there are thousands of proofs that Bulgarians are Tatarian Mongols from the Turkish mountains.

    Dear Bulgarians, stop claiming that you are descendants from the Slavs, and please stop imagining that you have any connections to us, the Ancient Macedonians!
    You are Tatarians, Mongols from Turkey!

    enjoy the truth!
    Last edited by Lerinec; 03-12-2009, 07:12 AM.

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  • makedonin
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    I agree with Orovnichanec and SoM.

    What I find interesting is the fact that this dude is aware of who he is, so his statement "even though not Bulgarian".

    He still sold his soul to the Bulgars cause they showed some simpathy toward his suffering under Turkish tyranny.

    That this simpathy was based on territorial aspirations and assimilation was apperantly of less concern to him, which is false.

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