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Old 05-12-2019, 06:40 PM   #3901
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I think in the next 5-10 years the voting numbers of DUI, AA, BESA will be much lower due to the rapid emigration in the area's populated by Albanians.

Note: Macedonian parties will also suffer a reduction, but i believe the numbers will be higher in the Albanian camp. You cannot improve your standard of living with flag rights and language laws to which many Albanians are seeing that now yet their representatives with nothing else to offer still use this as a platform.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:19 PM   #3902
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I think in the next 5-10 years the voting numbers of DUI, AA, BESA will be much lower due to the rapid emigration in the area's populated by Albanians.

Note: Macedonian parties will also suffer a reduction, but i believe the numbers will be higher in the Albanian camp. You cannot improve your standard of living with flag rights and language laws to which many Albanians are seeing that now yet their representatives with nothing else to offer still use this as a platform.
No one really knows % of the original populations, what proportion of the populace has left. Everyone seems to assume that Albanians leave at higher rates, and that may be true, although I think that line of thinking leads to nowhere anyway. Macedonia is effectively dead. Almost everyone I know from Macedonia has either left, in the process of leaving, or is looking for a way to leave.

Who cares if the demographic split between Macedonians and Albanians goes from 75/25 to 80/20 or 85/15 when their is under a million people left in Macedonia and when the spirit and essence of Macedonia is dead.

All that's left is some trees and some dirt, might as well be Zamunda or Narnija at this point.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:19 PM   #3903
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I think in the next 5-10 years the voting numbers of DUI, AA, BESA will be much lower due to the rapid emigration in the area's populated by Albanians.

Note: Macedonian parties will also suffer a reduction, but i believe the numbers will be higher in the Albanian camp. You cannot improve your standard of living with flag rights and language laws to which many Albanians are seeing that now yet their representatives with nothing else to offer still use this as a platform.
Exactly. Right on the money.

Albanians are no different than any other group of people. They want jobs and a future and the only things their ethnic representatives have given them is nationalistic junk.

While it makes them feel great it doesn't pay the heating bills.

Emigration has chewed up their reproductive base since the year 2000.

It's only a matter of time the bottom falls out of their population.


The main issue Macedonians will have is if the EU forces them to settle migrants in the country whom are mainly Muslim.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:45 PM   #3904
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No one really knows % of the original populations, what proportion of the populace has left. Everyone seems to assume that Albanians leave at higher rates, and that may be true, although I think that line of thinking leads to nowhere anyway. Macedonia is effectively dead. Almost everyone I know from Macedonia has either left, in the process of leaving, or is looking for a way to leave.

Who cares if the demographic split between Macedonians and Albanians goes from 75/25 to 80/20 or 85/15 when their is under a million people left in Macedonia and when the spirit and essence of Macedonia is dead.

All that's left is some trees and some dirt, might as well be Zamunda or Narnija at this point.

It's not just Macedonia, it's that entire region. They're all backward and do not know how to operate a country.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:14 AM   #3905
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I think in the next 5-10 years the voting numbers of DUI, AA, BESA will be much lower due to the rapid emigration in the area's populated by Albanians.
That's possibly why they're trying to secure as much for themselves as they can right now, even if it means transcending the usual type and level of stupidity one encounters in the Balkans.
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The main issue Macedonians will have is if the EU forces them to settle migrants in the country whom are mainly Muslim.
That would be an absolute disaster.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:28 PM   #3906
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That would be an absolute disaster
this is what will happen but macedonia will get screwed even harder because it will be a condition on opening discussions and or to get entrance into eu but in the end eu will decide its not in its best interest to expand and then Macedonia will of taken in a bunch of muslims like in 2001 and further destabilize the country
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:19 PM   #3907
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There is no country guys.

You have government officials displaying maps of Greater Albania.

We have municipalities going from using both Macedonian and Albanian to just using Albanian.

You have schools using Albanian text books, teaching Albanian history.

In the mean time we sold our identity, changed our name, changed our flag, gave our history to Bulgaria, made Albanian an official language.

You think any migrants want to live in that shit hole lol? Half of them would probably take their chances in the worn torn shit holes they came from before they settled in North Fyromdonia Squiptari

What is the game plan here? Make the country so bad that all the Albanians leave and hope the lazy imbeciles of ours that are left are going to make a country?
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This has been my prediction for some time now.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:04 AM   #3909
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I think Macedonia today, pays the price of Tito`s decision to expel around ~170.000 Torbeshi and the Turks in 1950-1960s to Turkey, which changed the demographics of the country in favor of the Albanians.





In the end, Tito expelled the people who would never have nationalistic demands and these expulsions caused Albanians to become biggest minority but Albanians surely have these kind of demands because you have borders with Albania and Kosovo.


I had a conversation with a Turkish teacher from Macedonia last week. She is an active member of a Turkish association in Macedonia and she was on Turkish tv channels b4, spoke about the difficulties of Turkish minority in Macedonia. She said that her hometown is Debar and she studied pedagogy and education in an university in Istanbul and returned to the Macedonia again to be useful for her own people and community. She said that there is no Turkish school in Debar anymore and she had to move to Skopje to be able to work in a Turkish language school. She said that they`ve met with the education ministry in Macedonia on behalf of her association and they spoke about the Turkish schools in Bitola and Debar. When they ask about the situation of Turkish schools in these cities, the officer of education ministry blatantly answered to them like "Isn't the Turkish soup operas enough for you?".

It`s ridicules!!! and she said that the administrator in education ministry was Albanian.

So she basically said that Turkish children in Macedonia are kinda encouraged to study in Albanian because there is no Turkish schools even in Debar or in places where Turkish people still more than Albanians, there is no Turkish schools but there is Albanian one. Therefor, Turkish teacher said that they are trying to warn Turkish people to prevent sending their kids in Albanian schools and try to convince people for sending them to Macedonian one instead of Albanian and they are trying to open Turkish language courses in Debar and Bitola by hoping that it would help their desperate situation.


She also told me the falsifications of Albanian officers in the previous census. She said that Albanian officers purposely used regular pencils when they counted Torbeshi and the Turks in their home and then they erased their ethnicity mark and changed it to Albanian option with ball-point pen afterward.

She said that they are working hard for the next census in Macedonia to prevent such stuff but she said that Albanians are even deliberately trying to marry with the Turks and Torbesh, instead of other Albanians, to be able to convince them and even their family to declare themselves as Albanian in the census.

Her last words was that they are trying to keep Turkish spirit alive in Macedonia which is under huge Albanian pressure in every area. She said that Turkish community never felt such a pressure from Macedonians themselves and they are largely neglected in everywhere like it was/is only the Albanians as the minority in Macedonia but not Turks.
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I had no idea Tito expelled Macedonian Muslims and Turks, can I get some more info on this? I had noticed a decrease in the number of people declaring themselves to be Turkish in Tetovo in the early years of communism but I put this down more to identity change amongst the local Albanians.


Also this is a great example of how Albanians are correlating Islam with Albanian identity in the Republic of Macedonia. They want all Muslims attending Albanian schools, they are associating being Muslim with being Albanian in the vein of to be Muslim was to once be Turk.
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