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Old 02-21-2009, 04:43 PM   #21
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http://damj.manu.edu.mk/materijali.html
A really important link Makedonin that should get some prominence here and everywhere else!
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From the Miladinovci Zbornik from

П Р Е Д А Н И Ј А

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Цар Александр. Цар Александр сакаше да ходит да земит безсмртна вода. Но кој одеше никој не сe врашташе назад; зашто дури да стигнит некој до неа, требеше да п'туват три дни все во ношна темнина, во која љуѓето се заскитвеха, и не можеха да се вратат на бел ден. Цар Александр зеде со себе си кобили и ждребина.
Во темнината врза кобила; и в растојање, што можит да се чует гласот, врза ждребе; потамо кобила, после ждребе, и така подалеку дури стигна до безсмртната вода, која стоеше меѓу две планини, кои се отвораха и затвораха. Тој со голема брзина нацрпи
едно шише,*) и пo гласовите от кобилите и ждребината, кои 'ржеха, нахожвеше п'тот, и така се врати на бел ден. Шишето остави на прозорецот за да се напиет утрината во недеља; и нар'ча на сестра му, да вардит, да не некако истурит беземртната вода. Сестра му**) метештем не догледа, и скрши шишето. Цар Александр кога чу това, страшно се наљути; а сестра му избегвеештем љутината негова, се фрли во море и се престори делфин, кои, кога чует Александровото име, се криет в морските глобини
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Воден. Воден град, к'де се закопвеха македонските цареви, окрепен од природата, вељат че, во време од некоја војна, беше се презел од непријателите, после д'лго опколисвање, со помошта од козите, кои им показаха скришно п''тче, по
кое тие обикновено се качвеха, и по кое непријателите влезоха в крепоста.
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Such rich language!
I need this book!
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A really important link Makedonin that should get some prominence here and everywhere else!
This one is also not bad:

http://macedonian.atspace.com/knigi.htm

has interesting books.
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Brgo/u and Brzo are both used, I think the latter is more common in literary, also depends on the context.

Lepa is also used by Russians to form part of another word, but still having the same meaning. If I had never read it in these texts, I would think it is a loan also, but just like the word Fala, while not overwhelmingly present it still exists in Macedonian dialects well before Serb and/or Yugoslav occupation.

I have heard some others from Lerinsko also use Ezik rather than Jazik, Istina rather than Vistina, which I find interesting because those variants seem to be more prevalent in the eastern Macedonian dialects.
Usta/Mutska = Mouth
Usni/Mutski = lips

Set is not a typo, it is a characteristic used in several dialects and by Misirkov also in words such as Mozhit, Trebit, etc, I have a relative that says 'Ne set doma' rather than 'Ne se doma'.

Zashcho or Zoshcho is a Macedonian characteristic (shch). In Old Slavonic it was чьто (ch'to), which evolved into што (shto) in South Slavic, while Macedonian also retained шчо (shcho) from which the шо (sho) used today comes from. It has been suggested that by using the letter щ the Miladinov brother's were intending to demonstrate that characteristic, as it is used in their native Struga also.
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Set is not a typo, it is a characteristic used in several dialects and by Misirkov also in words such as Mozhit, Trebit, etc, I have a relative that says 'Ne set doma' rather than 'Ne se doma'.
Yeah, I got that impression once I read Makedonin's subsequent text.
I will place my tail firmly between my legs now.

So much diversity in our language.
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I think the more distinct Macedonian characteristics such as "shch" should have been retained in the literary language.
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Here is a sample of Misirkov's writing:

Македонци! време iет да се убедиме, оти лошиiот демон за Македониiа, не iет никоi друг, осим Бугариiа, ето зашчо час по скоро требит да одделиме интересите наши од бугарцките. Тоа го барат од нас благоразумiето.


.....пропагандите: бугарцка и србцка употребуваат сите и дозволени и недозволени стрецтва да искоренат во нашиiот народен жиот, се самобитно, се чисто македонцко.
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Source: "Macedonia and the Macedonians: A History" by Andrew Rossos, 2008, page 84.
Interesting. Clearly it was in reference to what some phil-hellenes were proposing in Vienna. Nevertheless, I find it incredible and very hard to believe, and a stupid move on his behalf.
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In that era and in those circumstances he believed he was doing the right thing, he was not to know how things would evolve in future, in hindsight there are naturally better options.
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