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Old 08-31-2010, 06:00 AM   #1
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Default Ottoman Elections in Macedonia (1908)

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The general elector did not, however, vote directly for the Deputy he desired to represent him in Parliament. In each of the fifteen electoral districts, the registered voters were entitled to choose delegates in the proportion of one to every 500 of the voters, and these delegates (elected Administrative Councils) had the actual power of choosing the Parliamentary representatives. Moreover, the administration of territories was entrusted to elected Administrative Councils. Those Councils were elected and existed in the provinces, districts, and sub-districts.

The parliament convened after the revolution only briefly and rather symbolically. The only task they performed was to call a new election. In the first Parliament, the President of the Chamber of Deputies was a Deputy from Jerusalem, Yusif Dia Pasha Al Khalidi.

First term, 1908

The new parliament comprised 142 Turks, 60 Arabs, 25 Albanians, 23 Greeks, 12 Armenians (including four Dashnaks and two Hunchaks), 5 Jews, 4 Bulgarians, 3 Serbs and 1 Vlach in the elections of 1908. The CUP could count on the support of about 60 deputies.[1] The CUP, the main driving force behind the revolution, managed to gain the upper hand against LU. LU was liberal in outlook, bearing a strong British imprint, and closer to the Palace. CUP come as the biggest party among a fragmented parliament by only 60 of the 275 seats.
Can anyone provide details or information on who represended Macedonia in this short-lived Ottoman parliament?
(The following discussion may help as an introduction)
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mac...GJG2Q9E68LKUPT
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:36 AM   #2
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Couldn't help notice one of the Ottoman deputies in April-August 1912 term was,

Sami Vrionis Albanian

Don't all Albanians in Greece have names ending with "is" ?

But then again, aren't the majority of Greeks Albanian just like Dep "Vrionis" was.



Before you get a hard on You so called Greek, thats a Incomplete list of Ottoman deputies in 1908-1912 term. And is that the best you can do copy and paste propaganda material from Greek sites and Wiki?



You still have not answered my question.

Do you dispute the "so called Greeks" remarks i made?
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Can anyone provide details or information on who represended Macedonia in this short-lived Ottoman parliament?
(The following discussion may help as an introduction)
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mac...GJG2Q9E68LKUPT
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In 1878 it was Dimitar Robev as Macedonian representative in the Turkish Parlament.

Later in 1908 it was Dimitar Vlahov & Hristo Dalcev as representatives for Macedonians as part of the National Federative Party from Solun.




The New York Daily Tribune, September 7th 1908








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i will second that sf.

The slime is full of questions but often lacks responding to ours. This tells me he has no interest in dialog and only intention is to come and spam then take off. What is his point being here. Just look at his avatar and how apropriate is it for what he is all about. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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For every post thesalo spams to negate our identity, I will spam for admins to ban him.
OK, don’t start a petition. It was a question, an interesting one (I think). Anyway, the answer is embarrassing for Greek presence too. But, why hide it?
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i will second that sf.

The slime is full of questions but often lacks responding to ours. This tells me he has no interest in dialog and only intention is to come and spam then take off. What is his point being here. Just look at his avatar and how appropriate is it for what he is all about. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Bill, you forgot to add or link the incomplete list (or I don't get it). I'll try to answer all questions (though it seems like I often delay). Sometimes you put a one line question that has no answer or requires gathering data that history researches haven't managed to, or are secret and not-available in Greece.
Your comment on my avatar was unexpected and half-misinterpreting. Get ready for a surprise. The person in my avatar is... indeed me (in a scene from a movie). But while it may look like a spy or the Shadow, this is supposed to be a communist in 1936 Thessaloniki, running and throwing some illegal leaflets.
See, that’s your usual tragedy, confusing left and right wing.
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Old 09-05-2010, 12:45 PM   #7
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OK, Bill77 found it, but he won't post it, so I will. The list is interesting (in unexpected ways). It seems precise, yet there are few inconsistencies (e.g. differences in names and numbers, comparing to information from the above posts & links) which we will discuss in next posts.
(I don't know who added the ethnicities)
http://www.h-net.org/~fisher/hst373/...ubasan1912.htm

Members of the Meclis-I Mebusan, 1912
Political Parties - with abbreviations
Committee of Union and Progress - CUP
Liberal Union - LU
Armenian Revolutionary Federation - ARF
Independent - I

KOSSOVO/USKUB (11) [7 Albanians!, 1 Turk, 1 Serb, 1 Bulgarian, 1 Unknown?]
Uskub (4)
Theodore Pavloff Bulgarian LU
Spiro Ristich Serbian CUP
Ali Sefik Bey Albanian I
Yusuf Bey Albanian I
Ipek (1)
Hafiz Ibrahim Efendi Albanian I
Senice/Novi Bazar (1)
Emir Bey Albanian I
Prishtne (1)
Rifat Bey ? ?
Prizren (3)
Abdulaziz Efendi Albanian CUP
Haci Destan Efendi Albanian CUP
Tevfik Nazif [Arican] Albanian CUP
Taslica (1)
Mehmed Izzet Pasha Turk I

MONASTIR (10) [4 Albanians, 2 Serbs, 2 Greeks, 1 Bulgarian, 1 Turk] (that's 11!)
Monastir (4)
Janaki Dimitrijevich Serbian I
Traianos Nallis Greek LU
Pantche Doreff Bulgarian Socialist
Mehmed Vasif Efendi Albanian LU
Ali Fethi [Okyar] Turk CUP
Diber (1)
Sevket [Enon] Albanian LU
Elbasan (1)
Sevket Bey Albanian LU
Goritza/Gorice (2)
Philip Mishe Serbian I
Suleyman Efendi Albanian I
Serfidje (2)
Gregorius Efendi Greek I
Osman Bey Turk CUP

SALONICA (12) [7 Turks, 3 (or 4?) Bulgarians, 1 Greek, 1 Jew]
Salonica (6)
Mehmed Cavid Bey Turk CUP
Emmanuel Carasso Jew CUP
Mustafa Rahmi [Aslan] Turk CUP
Halil Bey Turk CUP
Kiryaki Kocuno Greek I
Jordan Nikolov Bulgarian I
Tchikotchanoff Bulgarian? I?
Drama (2)
Riza Bey Turk CUP
Midhat Sukru [Bleda] Turk CUP
Serres (4)
Alexandre Bujnov Bulgarian I
Hulusi Bey Turk I
Stoju Hadziev Bulgarian I
Dervis Ragib Bey Turk CUP
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Old 09-06-2010, 02:46 AM   #8
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keep dreaming a greek in Bitola ye and wats with all the tatars probably Macedonian.
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Those are VILLAYETS, of the name Salonika, Monastir and Ushkub.

Every Ottoman province - villayet got several representatives in the Turkish parlament as a part of the existing POLITICAL PARTIES.

Most of the Macedonians were included in the Peoples Fedrative Party.

The stats of Thessalo-niki are from the 1912 year!
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Before talking about Ottoman census, one has to consider what those people understood under certain conventions/designations of the time.

Example would be:


Taken from "Greece and the Balkans By Dēmētrēs Tziovas, Page 43"

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.....the legacy of the Ottoman millet system which divided the empire's population according to religious affiliation, leading to a long-lasting correlation between religion and identity
http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/arch...3-trae-ath.htm
After considering those things, what is left from the shown census is nothing.
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