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Old 03-07-2011, 01:34 AM   #101
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An archive of information about who the Macedonians were, and what they called themselves is needed to challenge the colonial narratives of the New Greeks (and Bulgarians), which have tried to bury the Macedonians, deny they exist, and which in more recent years have attempted to steal the adjective 'Macedonian'. In the West all they see and all they read are non-Macedonian representations of who we are, whether it comes from the invading 'Greeks' or the invading Bulgarians, the representations they have been making about us, right now and historically, are false.

Hopefully we can begin challenging those representations made of us by our invaders and exported to the Western world, here and now.

Guys, I need some clarification in terms of sources, for post #64, #67 and #69.
Just the basics, Who wrote it? When was it published? By who? As for post #69, What language is it in? Can we get details about the author and publisher, and what do the underlined letters actually say. It seems some of the letters are in a strange type?
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:06 AM   #102
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An archive of information about who the Macedonians were, and what they called themselves is needed to challenge the colonial narratives of the New Greeks (and Bulgarians), which have tried to bury the Macedonians, deny they exist, and which in more recent years have attempted to steal the adjective 'Macedonian'. In the West all they see and all they read are non-Macedonian representations of who we are, whether it comes from the invading 'Greeks' or the invading Bulgarians, the representations they have been making about us, right now and historically, are false.

Hopefully we can begin challenging those representations made of us by our invaders and exported to the Western world, here and now.

Guys, I need some clarification in terms of sources, for post #64, #67 and #69.
Just the basics, Who wrote it? When was it published? By who? As for post #69, What language is it in? Can we get details about the author and publisher, and what do the underlined letters actually say. It seems some of the letters are in a strange type?
I will start with post 69, it is written in Russian by Nase D Dimov in 1913, his brother is Dimitrija Chupovski.
I have this book in my library. Can scan all of it. We need an English translation of it.
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Old 03-14-2011, 12:22 AM   #103
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I will start with post 69, it is written in Russian by Nase D Dimov in 1913, his brother is Dimitrija Chupovski.
I have this book in my library. Can scan all of it. We need an English translation of it.
Thanks Daskalot, just a translation of the underlined parts in post 69 would actually be enough I think. Was Nase a Macedonian immigrant in Russia?
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:23 AM   #104
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...719711,00.html

Macedonian Echo
Monday, Jan. 05, 1925

Long ago, in the days of Philip of Macedon, when whole armies hurled themselves against the dread Macedonian phalanx, Macedonia was a great and independent country. Today, Macedonia is merely a geographical expression; its territories are divided principally between Yugoslavia and Greece.

If the country is nonexistent, the people are not. They have managed, directly or indirectly, to make more Balkan blood flow in the past 20 years than have any other people. Since the War, their activities have shown no sign of abating. Greece and Yugoslavia and Bulgaria have been much troubled by them.

Chief of the modern Macedonians who have demanded autonomy have been Todor Alexandrov, General Protogerov, Peter Schankev. For years, this triumvirate kept the Macedonian question well before the world. A few months ago, Todor Alexandrov was murdered; and last week one Dimitri Stefanov met Peter Schankev in a cafe at Milan, fired five shots from an automatic pistol at him, killed him. The two deaths were connected by the tale which the assassin told:

Peter Schankev decided last spring that Macedonian autonomy was a dead issue, so he quitted the triumvirate to found a movement for transforming the Balkans into a confederation. When Todor Alexandrov stood in his way, the natural thing for him to do was to have Todor Alexandrov quietly murdered; this was done. Immediately Alexandrov's friends called a meeting in a Macedonian village with General Protogerov as chairman. At this meeting, sentence of death was pronounced on Peter Schankev and his executioner went out into the world on a search for his victim—a search which ended at Milan.

Arrested, the assassin said:

"I am a Macedonian Nationalist and I love my mother country intensely. It was only to serve her that I executed this renegade. I am glad I was chosen to sacrifice myself."
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:19 PM   #105
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"Being shocked and increasingly concerned, I struck the village mayor when I heard him speak Bulgarian, which he wishes to call Macedonian, and I recommended that in the future he should always and everywhere speak only Greek, and that he should recommend that his villagers do the same."

Greek Infantry Lieutenant Dim. Kamburas in his report about the situation in the Village Armensko of January 25, 1925.
Bratot, what is the source of this reference Whic book, or monograph or whatever, does it come from? It was posted some time ago, I hope you can find it.

I'm sickened by the fact that he 'struck' this Macedonian because he insisted on speaking in his native language, which the Greek entirely misrepresents as 'Bulgarian'. He must have told the Greek that the language was Macedonian. It just goes to show the Macedonians were being ignored then, and they are being ignored now, but people are quick to persecute them.
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Bratot, what is the source of this reference Whic book, or monograph or whatever, does it come from? It was posted some time ago, I hope you can find it.

I'm sickened by the fact that he 'struck' this Macedonian because he insisted on speaking in his native language, which the Greek entirely misrepresents as 'Bulgarian'. He must have told the Greek that the language was Macedonian. It just goes to show the Macedonians were being ignored then, and they are being ignored now, but people are quick to persecute them.
The source is Cultural Illegitimacy In Greece: The Slavo-Macedonian 'Non-Minority' by Anastasia Karakasidou.

Here's more from that piece she wrote: http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...?t=2215&page=9
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The source is Cultural Illegitimacy In Greece: The Slavo-Macedonian 'Non-Minority' by Anastasia Karakasidou.

Here's more from that piece she wrote: http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...?t=2215&page=9
Thanks T.M.

That makes two sources, this one and the Allen Upward one, where a Macedonian is reported as stating he is a Macedonian, or speaks Macedonian, and where a Greek 1. entirely ignores the assertion of the Macedonian, and at the same time 2. misrepresents his self identification by calling him 'Bulgarian'. Here we have non-Macedonians not only ignoring us, but entirely misrepresenting who we are. The New Greeks, and the invading 'Greeks' have been exporting these misrepresentations and lies about who we are to the West for over a century now, and they continue to do it. The idiots in Bulgaria love it, because it keeps the myths of their national narrative alive and kicking. The two invading regimes, compliment each other in that regard. It has been the only way they could destroy our civilisation, and steal from it at the same time - together and in close collaboration. Its a war of extermination. All we can do is fight it.

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Here is some more on the topic posted by TM in this thread:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=2501

The important part:
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In 1900, the Russian 'Slavist' Petar Draganov was commenting on Russian imperial policy, and the balkans.

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"Should the Russians be happy or sad because in Macedonia the indigenous population, who call themselves Macedonians by the old name, are raising their voices? According to our personal opinion it would be just to give at least moral support to this numerous tribe that speaks a separate Slavic dialect and has its own history, not less interesting than the history of the Bulgarians and the Serbs..."
Cited in Aleksandar Donski, The Descendants of Alexander the Great of Macedon: The Arguments and Evidence that today's Macedonians are descendants of the ancient Macedonians (part one - folklore elements), Macedonian Literary Association 'Grigor Prlichev', Sydney, 2004, p.231

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I just wanted to say a few things about the evidence here.

Over the last 150 years or so, Western politicians, academics and the public more generally have been interacting almost entirely with the colonial representations of the Macedonian people. These are basically non-Macedonian representations of the Macedonians, coming from regimes that have been traditionally hostile to the indigenous population.

The 'colonial narratives' I am referring to here are entirely foreign to Macedonia, and overwhelmingly Greek-centric or Bulgarian-centric in their approach. They deny the existence of a distinctive ethnic group, who have always called themselves Macedonians, and avoid any attempt to understand the occupied territories from the perspective of the traditional land holders - the Macedonians.

For probably about the last 150 years, the 'Greeks' (and other foreigners) have been exporting their particular ‘representations’ of the land and the Macedonian people to Europe. These representations have entirely dominated the discourse on all things 'Macedonian' in Europe and beyond, while the Macedonians were being buried on the battle field. Again, these are non-Macedonian representations of the Macedonians that inform the West; the representations are coming from regimes that have seized the territory by force, and ruthlessly suppressed its indigenous population. They objectify the Macedonians and employ a colorful array of colonial terms to ‘hide’ them, or simply misrepresent them in order to 'convince' the West that the Macedonian do not exist, or should not. The propaganda is particularly influential with Western politicians (notably in Australia but else where too) and academics, who may not be aware of the local realities. Once again, we never actually here from the indigenous Macedonians themselves, and when we do it is distorted.

This had led to the erroneous belief in the West that there are no distinctive indigenous Macedonians. There are many variations on this colonial theme. The Macedonian 'space' has been opened up through this kind of propaganda to the interpretive mischief, and conquest of invaders and colonisers, who in more recent times have assumed the identity of the 'Macedonians'. Most notably the invading 'Greeks' and Bulgarians. Again, the indigenous Macedonian people have entirely disappeared from the story. The fact is this distinctive ethnic group have always 'called themselves Macedonians'. It is about time that the West realise that the invading 'Greeks' have no legitimate historical claim to occupy Macedonian territory, or steal the name.

By focusing on Macedonian perspectives, historians will be treating the Macedonian peoples as the primary voice or agents of the historical inquiry, rather than as objects to be exterminated, renamed as 'Slavs' or something else.

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