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Old 01-19-2012, 06:03 PM   #1
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January 19, 2012
By Biljana Pekusic and Klaudija Lutovska

The two-week European Handball Championship kicked off in Serbia on Sunday (January 15th) with a special benefit for Macedonians — they were able to enter Serbia without passports.

The implementation of the deal — reached between interior ministers Ivica Dacic and Gordana Jankuloska in October — means that the Serbian-Macedonian border can be crossed by citizens showing their biometric ID cards.

Although the deal has not been ratified by the countries’ parliaments, “we decided to accelerate the implementation for the citizens of Macedonia to make it easier for them to come to the games,” Serbian Interior Minister Ivica Dacic told SETimes.

“During the the first two days [of the relaxed requirements], more than 30,000 Macedonians passed [into Serbia] without a passport,” Jankuloska told SETimes.

Macedonian border police representatives will be on hand to help their Serbian counterparts.

There are three additional lanes open to leave Macedonia, and one extra lane to enter Serbia at the border crossings during these weeks, Jankuloska told reporters.

In 2011, 3.5 million Serbian citizens crossed the common border with Macedonia. It is expected that the number will increase this year due to the eased requirements.

“As soon as we read this news, my wife and I decided that this year we will go on holiday in Macedonia, to their beautiful Lake Ohrid,” Belgrade retiree Borislav Tahirović told SETimes.

The simplified procedure at the crossings is also expected to facilitate joint infrastructure projects between the two countries — such as Corridor 10 and building the Nis-Skopje gas line.

To Dragisa Simonovic, a Serb who lives in Bitola, Macedonia, the possibility of crossing the border without a passport is great news.

“I did not have the opportunity to change to the biometric passport, but now [even without it], I can to visit my brother in Serbia,” Simonovic told SETimes.

However, those who cross the border do need to pay their way in — Macedonians pay between 60-90 euros, depending on the size of their vehicle, while Serbs pay 20 euros.

Dacic also noted the goal of Croatia and Albania to sign the agreement allowing reciprocal movement of regional citizens without passports, making the Western Balkans a sort of “mini-Schengen”.

Serbia has had a “no passport needed” agreement with Bosnia and Herzegovina for years, and signed one with Kosovo in December 2011.

The growing trend was highlighted at the December 2011 meeting of the Adriatic Charter in Tirana, where Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro signed an agreement that allows their citizens from one country to travel to another with biometric ID cards. The deal is still awaiting ratification.
Serbs pay less. Wouldn't want to upset the old bosses I suppose. Who cares, as long as they keep their music out of the country ... they can spend in Macedonia.
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:18 PM   #2
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Serbs pay less. Wouldn't want to upset the old bosses I suppose. Who cares, as long as they keep their music out of the country ... they can spend in Macedonia.
They come to Macedonia so that they can listen to their music. Where else would you hear Serb music blasting out from every cafe, restuarant, nightclub, TV and radio?
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Serbs pay less. Wouldn't want to upset the old bosses I suppose.
LOL!

I would hate to see our old masters and orthodox "brothers" angry towards the macedonians.

Im guessing because serbs provide macedonia with lots of money for tourism (majority of tourists that come to macedonia are serbians) they dont want the tourist industy to be hit.

The ghost of Kiro Gligorov is haunting us with his eternal words that macedonia cannot survive with serbia, and im guessing this little arrangement from the tourist industry makes it look like that.
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Old 01-19-2012, 11:28 PM   #4
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They come to Macedonia so that they can listen to their music. Where else would you hear Serb music blasting out from every cafe, restuarant, nightclub, TV and radio?
I hate seeing gutless people in Ohrid play/sing serbian music to their serbian customers. They now even do the same for shiptar customers (talking about bars and restaraunts here)

In my experience in both autralia and macedonia is that macedonians look down on you if you ask to put more macedonian music on instead of serbian music
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In my experience in both autralia and macedonia is that macedonians look down on you if you ask to put more macedonian music on instead of serbian music
It may be more common in Macedonia, but I haven't had that experience in Australia.
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They come to Macedonia so that they can listen to their music. Where else would you hear Serb music blasting out from every cafe, restuarant, nightclub, TV and radio?
This is a real plague and furthermore, effected by the majority of Macedonian's.
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60-90 euro fee to cross into Serbia is steep. Canadians and Americans pay $4.75 to cross the Windsor/Detroit border. This would certainly deter me from visiting Serbia and deter a lot of others, who would probably spend way more than the entrance fee at hotels, gas stations, restaurants etc. I would hope that Macedonia lowers the cost to 10 euro or even 5.

It would be interesting to know if the 60-90 euro entrance fee is the same for all the other former Yugo citizens hoping to drive through Serbia.
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I hate seeing gutless people in Ohrid play/sing serbian music to their serbian customers. They now even do the same for shiptar customers (talking about bars and restaraunts here)

In my experience in both autralia and macedonia is that macedonians look down on you if you ask to put more macedonian music on instead of serbian music
here read what people that were in Nis said about their hospitality, so people in Nis are gutless for being good hosts and playing macedonian music:

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И воопшто кога ќе се земат заедно сите наши навивачи таму,освен неколку инциденти по кафичите и кафаните,дискотеките,немаше ниедна црна дамка во првата фаза,се помина феноменално...
Пречекот на Србите во Ниш беше феноменален...
Пријатни луѓе,расположени за муабет,за мајтап.......се изнашетавме со еден куп наши реквизити низ Ниш,цели 5 дена ниедна провокација немаше,буквално ниедна.....
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Да те надополнам на тоа што го кажа за Ниш.
Значи буквално се осеќав ко дома. Не ни очекував олку добар пречек од Нишлии. Премногу гостопримливи, дружељубиви луѓе. Се шеташ со македонски реквизити по улица, па ти свират, те поздравуваат, те среќаваат на шеталиште како да се знаеш со нив 100 години, браво за победата, како беше ова она со кој играте следна итн... Во бисер ресторанот кај што бев поголем дел од слободното време незнаете какви атмосфери имаше несамо од македонци, срби и србинки кои случајно се нашле тука започнуваат да се веселат со нас. Секаде не поздравуваат. Уште сега носталгија ме фаќа
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here read what people that were in Nis said about their hospitality, so people in Nis are gutless for being good hosts and playing macedonian music:
Ah Nis, the Serbian city were Serbian fans raised a huge greek flag and used the FYROM acronym in a "friendly" hand ball match..... Never mind that a few pubs play macedonian music to macedonian customers( i mean suckers) so all is forgiven.

I think Nis should become the new tourist destination for all good macedonians.
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