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Old 02-04-2018, 02:27 PM   #21
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You... do? It's good we have an expert in Linear A & B. Tell us more.

Now me, for instance, I didn't even know Linear A was deciphered in 1981 (I must have totally missed that).
I was talking about the replacement of the Mycenaean language with a new alphabet influenced by that of Phoenicians. Do you have any theory why did this happen?

Btw when was Linear A deciphered?

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tchaiku,

- The official story is as follows: Linear A is one of two currently undeciphered writing systems used in ancient Greece (Cretan hieroglyphic is the other).
- In 2001, the journal Ugarit-Forschungen published the article "The First Inscription in Punic Vowel Differences in Linear A and B" by Jan Best (the same author I quoted above - he stated it was deciphered in 1981), claiming to demonstrate how and why Linear A notates an archaic form of Phoenician. This was a continuation of attempts by Cyrus Gordon in finding connections between Minoan and West Semitic languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

Here is C. Gordon's Semitic Inscriptions From Greece.










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tchaiku,

- The official story is as follows: Linear A is one of two currently undeciphered writing systems used in ancient Greece (Cretan hieroglyphic is the other).
- In 2001, the journal Ugarit-Forschungen published the article "The First Inscription in Punic Vowel Differences in Linear A and B" by Jan Best (the same author I quoted above - he stated it was deciphered in 1981), claiming to demonstrate how and why Linear A notates an archaic form of Phoenician. This was a continuation of attempts by Cyrus Gordon in finding connections between Minoan and West Semitic languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

Here is C. Gordon's Semitic Inscriptions From Greece.











Interesting, so in summary this author believes the language written in Linear A to be Semetic?
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Interesting, so in summary this author believes the language written in Linear A to be Semetic?
Yes, Semitic.
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Yes, Semitic.
There was strong Phonecian influence in the region so it's a likely possibility.
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The Problem of Semitic in Ancient Crete
Michael C. Astour
Journal of the American Oriental Society
Vol. 87, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1967), pp. 290-295

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Did Gordon prove his point? In this reviewer's opinion, and with the author's own reservations about some of his "tentative suggestions," he certainly did. The systematic presentation of the Minoan-Eteocretan linguistic picture will be of very great interest to those acquainted with ancient Semitic languages and able to evaluate Gordon's findings on their proper ground. Hitherto, the scholars' general reluctance to agree with Gordon's earlier publications on this topic was caused not so much by linguistic criteria as by a certain almost inborn incredulity stemming from a deeply rooted set of preconceptions.

One of the frequently heard arguments is that Linear A is allegedly "undeciphered" and therefore no understanding of it is possible. Those who say so commit a fault of terminology (this is also true for Gordon's own use of the term "decipherment"). With Johannes Friedrich, a distinction must be made between "decipherment" (establishing the phonetic values of an unknown script) and "interpretation", i.e. establishing the semantic values of an unknown language written in a readable script.

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The picture below comes from the book Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity, by Jonathan M. Hall.

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Homer mentions that during the time of the Trojan War, Miletus was an ally of Troy and was city of the Carians, under Naster and Amphimachus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miletus
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There was strong Phonecian influence in the region so it's a likely possibility.
Greece is called "Yunan" in Hebrew and Arabic, i.e. "Javan" or "Jonah" as it is commonly translated. This is because in the Hebrew anthropology, Javan, the grandson of Noah, and his sons were believed to have settled on "the islands", that is, Cyprus, Crete and Greece proper.
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