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Old 02-02-2020, 07:35 AM   #241
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How do they define the relationship of the Arnauti to the Circassians? I guess I want a good translation of the word "маждракот".
Risto, I'm not sure they define the relationship.

I believe the word "маждрак"/"маждракот" means a spear (I am not 100% certain though), while yatagan/јатаганот is a type of Ottoman knife or short sabre.

Yatagan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatagan

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Old 02-05-2020, 01:41 AM   #242
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Edmund Spencer: A Journey from Ohrid to Janina, 1850

"I was this time accompanied by a native of Macedonia, as a kiraidji; he was an excellent fellow in his way, spoke a little Italian, which, with his own patois, a mixture of Albanian, Slavonian, Greek, and Turkish, enabled us to understand each other. Among his other qualifications, as a kiraidji, he was lively and communicative, knew the country well, and the character of the inhabitants, and how to avoid danger while travelling through a land in so disorganised a state as Albania; he was also full of anecdote, whether real or imaginary, and among other things amused me with accounts of the great antiquity of his own family, for Stefa was nothing less than a descendant of the Macedonian Kings!"
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Old 02-05-2020, 02:39 AM   #243
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Risto, I'm not sure they define the relationship.

I believe the word "маждрак"/"маждракот" means a spear (I am not 100% certain though), while yatagan/јатаганот is a type of Ottoman knife or short sabre.

Yatagan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatagan
Thanks for that. So it appears no relationship, just separate feral bastards.
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Macedonians mentioned in a document from 1906 detailing a Second International meeting in Chicago

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Old 05-18-2020, 08:19 AM   #245
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Croatian newspaper "Pučki Prijatelj", January 10, 1908:

"Macedonians do not want to join Bulgaria, Greece or Serbia!"



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- In the year 1791, in Buda (Hungary), a common church meeting took place with Greeks and Macedonians present. The Macedonians were fierce opponents of the common church community being called Greek Eastern and Greek Church Community. They demanded that the name be changed and they succeeded in it - the name was changed to Greek Eastern and Macedonian Church Community.

- In the year 1622, Toma Mrnavich in his statements on the unity of Slavic languages in the Balkans, besides the Croatians, Serbians, Bosnians and Bulgarians, includes the Macedonians among the Slavic-speaking inhabitants of the Balkans.

Source (page 62 of the book below - this version is in Serbian):
http://books.memoryoftheworld.org/#/...Ta%C5%A1kovski

There is a lot of new (at least to me) and valuable testimonies in this book. For example, Bulgarian minister K. Stoilov wrote in 1882 how the Macedonians did not possess or have Buglarian national consciousness at that time. There are additional Bulgarian sources which talk about Macedonians "lacking" the Bulgarian consciousness or Bulgarian spirit.

In the mid 19th century there were apparently between 20,000 and 25,000 Macedonians living in Istanbul. Bulgarian writers such as P. P. Karapetrov wrote how the vast majority of "Bulgarians" living in Istanbul were actually from Macedonia and lamented the fact that these Macedonians did not know about its nationality even though they spoke "Bulgarian". These Macedonians would also never say that they were Greeks.

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DW in Nivici: “We are Macedonians in the whole village.”

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Carlin, I can't seem to be able to download the PDF. Did you have any trouble with that?
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Carlin, I can't seem to be able to download the PDF. Did you have any trouble with that?
SoM, I tried now and I did have an issue initially but after trying again/refreshing I was able to access the PDF.


From the same book, another new Bulgarian testimony, found in the footnote #22 on page 111:

As to how the Bulgarian presence was received in Macedonia we can see from the example in Veles, as described by N. Enicherev: "When P. Slaveykov arrived in Veles and invited the residents of Veles to a gathering, D. R. Karanfilovic stood up against Slaveykov with the following words: Nobody knew Slaveykov, nor did anyone ask for an advice from him; he can keep his advices for his "Shopi", but the people of Veles know better than him how to take care of their own business." (N. Enicherev, V'spromenaniya i belezhki, 117)

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SoM, I tried now and I did have an issue initially but after trying again/refreshing I was able to access the PDF.
Thanks Carlin, I was finally able to access it.
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- In the year 1791, in Buda (Hungary), a common church meeting took place with Greeks and Macedonians present. The Macedonians were fierce opponents of the common church community being called Greek Eastern and Greek Church Community. They demanded that the name be changed and they succeeded in it - the name was changed to Greek Eastern and Macedonian Church Community.
Interesting, but the reference after the paragraph doesn't lead to a source. Unless I missed something? I can't find anything else online about this supposed event.
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