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Old 09-29-2011, 11:50 AM   #21
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Any HR violations that come to mind?

Here's something I found that I believe not only hurts certain human rights for certain Macedonians but also hangs Macedonian dignity out to dry.

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setime.../05/feature-04

Macedonia won't process Hague war crimes cases

By Klaudija Lutovska for Southeast European Times in Bitola 05/08/11

Lawmakers voted not to prosecute four war crimes involving the National Liberation Army in court after a request by the Albanian Democratic Union for Integration's (DUI) for an interpretation of the Law on Amnesty.

The law ensued from the Ohrid Framework Agreement, which ended the 2001 conflict between Macedonian government forces and the Albanians' National Liberation Army (NLA).

"The parliament is the highest institution with the responsibility to interpret laws. Voting to interpret the Law on Amnesty means the four cases will end and no other institution is competent to judge them," analyst Jovan Donev told SETimes.

The Hague tribunal kept the four cases for six years without acting on them. It decided not to process them in 2006 and returned them, asking Macedonia to do it instead.

Two cases charge members of the NLA -- whose leadership transformed into the DUI -- with kidnapping, torture and murder of Macedonians in the Tetovo area in 2001.

Another case charges the NLA with shutting off the city of Kumanovo's water supply, threatening the lives and wellbeing of over 100,000 people.

The fourth charges the NLA leadership with chain-of-command responsibility for various instances of war crimes and crimes against humanity.


Government officials say the move is an attempt at national reconciliation between Macedonians and Albanians.

"It closes the big wounds which have previously prevented Macedonia from entering a course of political understanding. It will contribute to ... political and economic stability in the country," DUI parliamentarian Arben Ljanbunishta said.

Many Macedonians, however, are furious at the failure to ensure justice.

"The Framework Agreement was imposed on Macedonia and consequently there is no closure for the families of the missing Macedonians,
not to mention how many of us are unemployed because of existing quotas," a 45-year-old veteran of the 2001 conflict, who asked to be identified only by the initials S.T., told SETimes.

Parliament's decision was a "political calculation before the autumn census, in which the validity of the Framework Agreement may legitimately be put under question," he said.

Others, like Bitola resident Petre Lozanovski, 60, disagree. "I am convinced the parliament has valid arguments for its position. Whether the solution is sound we must wait and see," Lozanovski told SETimes.

"The interpretation is a result of a political agreement, a political declaration, rather than being a sound legal solution. The goal here is to overcome possible future ethnic tensions in Macedonia," former Internal Affairs Minister and governing coalition member Pavle Trajanov told SETimes.

In an attempt to calm the situation, President Gjorge Ivanov met with distraught families of the Macedonians still missing from the conflict and asked that all political factions refrain from exploiting their misfortune.
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:55 AM   #22
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Yeah, I saw this when it was first published. How could any macedonian say there must be a good reason for this kind of capitulation?
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It is disgusting reading that again, those poor families. Wtf could Ivanov say to the families to make them feel better? Bunch of pussy politicians.
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Old 09-29-2011, 12:37 PM   #24
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It is disgusting reading that again, those poor families. Wtf could Ivanov say to the families to make them feel better? Bunch of pussy politicians.
Their words are meaningless. Their actions are worse as we can see.
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:21 PM   #25
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Seing the macedonian govt is in cohoots with the terrorists with their special deals.The govt won't bring them to justice.Perhaps the huma rights people could bring this to the hague & the hague could investigate the cases.
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:02 PM   #26
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Seing the macedonian govt is in cohoots with the terrorists with their special deals.The govt won't bring them to justice.Perhaps the huma rights people could bring this to the hague & the hague could investigate the cases.
Finally a noteworthy post. It seems all too convenient for the Macedonian government to push these issues aside and continue to deny human rights justice for the Macedonians. Macedonians in Macedonia will continue to suffer human rights violations and injustices and not one voice in Macedonia has been sound enough to make some real noise.
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:52 PM   #27
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THe Macedonian govt has really let it's own people down when it comes to prosecuting these terrorists & taking them to the hague instead it has given them ministerial posts etc.
Perhaps even like a class action by the citizens on the terrorists themselves but it depends on the evidence needed.I remember speaking to a macedonian wolve in 2006.They said they were hamstrung back in 2001 with nato & us medling in the internal affairs of macedonia.Had they been allowed to fire back & fight it out with the uck & the NLA there wouldn'y be any problem today.
But he had a lot of pity towards the people who were attacked by the terrorists.ie kidnapping etc & other attrocities.Also another weakness the macedonian govt gave amnesty to a lot of the terrorists which means immunity to prosecution.

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Old 09-29-2011, 11:57 PM   #28
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Seing the macedonian govt is in cohoots with the terrorists with their special deals.The govt won't bring them to justice.Perhaps the huma rights people could bring this to the hague & the hague could investigate the cases.
I have wondered about that. Is that possible? I mean assuming the Macedonian government lacks the backbone to do it and clearly it does, what's to stop someone else filing a case?
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:42 PM   #29
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I believe victims of the families have tried many times to battle it out in international courts. But as we know all too well, these are political courts, not real ones. No court in the world will open up a case like this after arresting Johan and Ljube for defending their country. They wouldn't even dream of bringing justice to the families of murdered innocent Macedonians.
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http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=7260

This is definitely a violation against Macedonian human rights within the Macedonian republic. Quite disturbing and disgusting.
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