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Old 12-06-2010, 07:08 PM   #11
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This is so true, mate. Being far Greece for some years, I have realised that culture-wise, behaviour-wise and even appearance-wise Greeks are much more similar to the Turks, the Balkans, and to the Arabs of the more northern countries like Jordan, Lebanon etc.

There is nothing in common with the Western and Northern Europeans and it's more than obvious.
I know that some Jordanian and Lebanese are kinda different than the rest of Arabs. Btw, don't forget that Evliya Celebi wrote that there was mass migrations from northern coasts of middle east to the Greece, especially to Crete. Also i know that there are minorities like Circassians, Chechens, Armenians and Turks in both countries.


I can add Slovenia and Croatia to the oriental culture too even tough they are Catholics since they are similar with Serbians and Bosnians beside their catholicism. Even Hungary in central Europe too. I cant say that Hungarians have western European culture even tough they are catholics again but i heard that in latest Euro polls, 60% of Hungarians doesn't believe a god and of which 35% of them believes some kind of life force like shamanism or something, their old religion.

Btw, i believe thats why western Europeans generally despise Balkan people like they despise Turks cuz you are different from them.

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Old 12-06-2010, 08:37 PM   #12
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I believe, the western civilization, truly separate from eastern one, starts with the foundation of Catholic church in Roman Empire, not with the ancient Greeks.

You know, eastern world civilized 1000s of years b4 western world. It starts with Sumerians after 5000 BC and then to Persians after 1500 BC and to ancient Greeks etc. Today, you can find Sumerian words, legends, stories and habits in many cultures and even in old, new testaments and then Koran. Also Persians ruled ancient Anatolian people for a long time and they have definitely influenced each other. We have several ancient monuments in Turkey, which shows the cultural exchange of ancient Greeks and Persians.

Roman Empire adopted the customs, laws, habits and even the language script of Etruscans, who were eastern people again cuz Etruscans widely believed and partly proved to be migrated to Tuscany, Italy from Aegean Anatolia by the sea. So i don't separate these cultures from any of those. All are connected and influenced each other.

Western Romans distanced themselves from eastern world after the foundation of Catholic church and then eastern Romans remained in oriental side with their orthodoxy, language, customs and habits.

And yes, you can find ancient Persian elements in politics, law and society of eastern Romans. Then you can also find Persian and eastern Roman elements in Ottoman Empire too.
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The Balkans by Mark Mazower

the SHARIA?????? Keep your heads down here grkos and ignore the obvious that shatters any BS myth called "hellenism".
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Present day Greece and Turkey are just two similar countries in terms of culture, cuisine and architecture.

It makes sense.
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Present day Greece and Turkey are just two similar countries in terms of culture, cuisine and architecture.

It makes sense.
You can also add Macedonia in that mix minus the bishe ..

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I think the title of this thread is silly.
Macedonians display American habits nowadays .... and they are not even running the country ... or are they!?
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we just end up copying others when we can't think for ourselves.If we put our minds we could come up with a better system of government than simply copying others.
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I think the title of this thread is silly.
Macedonians display American habits nowadays .... and they are not even running the country ... or are they!?
Just quoting what a Grk himself wrote in his book. Here's something else from the same author to reaffirm what he says:


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Albanians the backbone of their society. Turkish culture the backbone of their culture. Of course now everything is squeeky clean 'Greek' like the fustenella and their coffee lol.
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Albanians backbone ? Turkish culture backbone ? Since when is conservatism a Turkish trait ? Once again overreaching.
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Albanians backbone ? Turkish culture backbone ? Since when is conservatism a Turkish trait ? Once again overreaching.
Read the first post. Then see who is overreaching or ducking and weaving.
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