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Old 11-29-2010, 11:40 PM   #1
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Default Greeks displayed Turkish habits in the not so distant past




Funny coming from one of their own especially about the Albanian kilt part and their women covering their bodies like muslim women
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:57 PM   #2
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Excellent find, even the bottom paragraph speaks volumes about these liars and thieves!
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Old 11-30-2010, 04:16 PM   #4
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In the nineteenth century… women followed the Muslim tradition of covering themselves up, including the face and eyes.
Uh.. if this means they couldn’t see where they were going, (explains why women of Souli, fell from the cliff to escape from Turks) the answer is NO.
If it means they were wearing a vale, the answer is NO.
If he means they were covering all of their face, except for the eyes, the answer is NO again.
Maybe this guy saw the Muslim women. Where do you find these books?
Here’s a variety of Greek dresses from 15th to 19th Century. All dresses were covering the legs and hair. Some were covering the neck, while other had revealing cleavage. You may find these pictures interesting (includes 5 or 6… unexpected Macedonian dresses). We are accustomed to later dresses (the ones we now call traditional) but I’m sure you’re not familiar with earlier ones (e.g. 16th, 17th centuries)
http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/2010/06/15-18_14.html (16th Century)
(Macedonian dresses 1st and 4th from top to bottom)
http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/2010/06/15-18_15.html (18th Century)
http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/2010/06/15-18_18.html (16th Century)
(Macedonian dresses 4th, 12th, 13th from top to bottom)
http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/2010/06/15-18.html (15th, 16th, 18th Century)

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There is one fundamental mistake about the conception of Greeks, whether ancient or modern by the western Europeans. Especially the 18-19th century western European scholars had this misconception.

First of all, Greeks didn't became "orientalized" by the Turks because they already had oriental culture. Today, we know that most of the eastern Roman empire`s political system was taken from ancient Persians. So, Byzantine empire was not a western empire. Orthodoxy is an oriental sect of christianity too. I cannot say that ancient Greeks had western culture either. Already in the era of ancient Greeks, there was no such a thing called "western culture". All the world was eastern only at that time, nothing else. IMHO, western Europeans started to relate them as a part of western culture after early 18th century but they were always belonged to the east, not west.

If we look at today, modern Greeks doesn't have western culture either. I don't see them any different than us, Turks or any other Balkan state. So, to me, neither Balkans nor Anatolia was never a part of western culture throughout history.

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There is one fundamental mistake about the conception of Greeks, whether ancient or modern by the western Europeans. Especially the 18-19th century western European scholars had this misconception.

First of all, Greeks didn't became "orientalized" by the Turks because they already had oriental culture. Today, we know that most of the eastern Roman empire`s political system was taken from ancient Persians. So, Byzantine empire was not a western empire. Orthodoxy is an oriental sect of christianity too. I cannot say that ancient Greeks had western culture either. Already in the era of ancient Greeks, there was no such a thing called "western culture". All the world was eastern only at that time, nothing else. IMHO, western Europeans started to relate them as a part of western culture after early 18th century but they were always belonged to the east, not west.

If we look at today, modern Greeks doesn't have western culture either. I don't see them any different than us, Turks or any other Balkan state. So, to me, neither Balkans nor Anatolia was never a part of western culture throughout history.
So true mate, I agree with you.
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Culture, Civilization, and Demarcation at the Northwest Borders of Greece by Laurie Kain Hart - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...1.196/abstract

It seems that no matter how hard they try they simply cannot "block" things about their past out. The racist animals that live in modern "greece" should all read about their Albanian ancestors and the Turkish culture they enjoyed (and continue to enjoy today by masking it with a false "hellenic" label).
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Today, we know that most of the eastern Roman empire`s political system was taken from ancient Persians.
Onur I have never heard of this. Do you mean they adopted this system in sequential empirical order (From Persian to Macedonian, to Roman, to East Roman, etc) or do you mean that the East Roman's decided on the Persian system?
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Onur I have never heard of this. Do you mean they adopted this system in sequential empirical order (From Persian to Macedonian, to Roman, to East Roman, etc) or do you mean that the East Roman's decided on the Persian system?
I believe, the western civilization, truly separate from eastern one, starts with the foundation of Catholic church in Roman Empire, not with the ancient Greeks.

You know, eastern world civilized 1000s of years b4 western world. It starts with Sumerians after 5000 BC and then to Persians after 1500 BC and to ancient Greeks etc. Today, you can find Sumerian words, legends, stories and habits in many cultures and even in old, new testaments and then Koran. Also Persians ruled ancient Anatolian people for a long time and they have definitely influenced each other. We have several ancient monuments in Turkey, which shows the cultural exchange of ancient Greeks and Persians.

Roman Empire adopted the customs, laws, habits and even the language script of Etruscans, who were eastern people again cuz Etruscans widely believed and partly proved to be migrated to Tuscany, Italy from Aegean Anatolia by the sea. So i don't separate these cultures from any of those. All are connected and influenced each other.

Western Romans distanced themselves from eastern world after the foundation of Catholic church and then eastern Romans remained in oriental side with their orthodoxy, language, customs and habits.

And yes, you can find ancient Persian elements in politics, law and society of eastern Romans. Then you can also find Persian and eastern Roman elements in Ottoman Empire too.

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There is one fundamental mistake about the conception of Greeks, whether ancient or modern by the western Europeans. Especially the 18-19th century western European scholars had this misconception.

First of all, Greeks didn't became "orientalized" by the Turks because they already had oriental culture. Today, we know that most of the eastern Roman empire`s political system was taken from ancient Persians. So, Byzantine empire was not a western empire. Orthodoxy is an oriental sect of christianity too. I cannot say that ancient Greeks had western culture either. Already in the era of ancient Greeks, there was no such a thing called "western culture". All the world was eastern only at that time, nothing else. IMHO, western Europeans started to relate them as a part of western culture after early 18th century but they were always belonged to the east, not west.

If we look at today, modern Greeks doesn't have western culture either. I don't see them any different than us, Turks or any other Balkan state. So, to me, neither Balkans nor Anatolia was never a part of western culture throughout history.
This is so true, mate. Being far Greece for some years, I have realised that culture-wise, behaviour-wise and even appearance-wise Greeks are much more similar to the Turks, the Balkans, and to the Arabs of the more northern countries like Jordan, Lebanon etc.

There is nothing in common with the Western and Northern Europeans and it's more than obvious.
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