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Old 06-05-2015, 10:30 AM   #111
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and if the thracians are protoslavic this would mean, that these people are the same people that spoke the same language that reside on the balkans today.
Correct,

http://www.korenine.si/zborniki/zbor...imov_tra07.pdf

There are so much words that are Southern Slavic related that aren't even relatively similar to Latin or Greek, and more similar or not similar at all to Balto-Slavic.

Theoretically it shouldn't be like this due to the time frame of when Slavs supposably arrived, and developed into a Southern Slavic language. Which... is more similar to the Thracians who were meant to be completely Greekified and Romanised or vice versa according to modern day history. It also counteracts the idea that they are more Balto-Slavic related which is why it is even more interesting.

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zaldo > zoloto, zlato (C.Sl) > gold > aurum > χρυσός > auksas

Thracian > Slavic > English > Latin > Greek > Lithuanian

chal > kal (Blg, Russ, Sl, Sr) > mud > limus > λάσπη > purvas

il > ilǎ (O.Ch.Sl), ilo Sl; jul in Tolminski dialect > mud > lutum > λάσπη > purvas

kurp > korpati – (O.Ch.Sl) > to dig > fodere > σκάβω > kasti

velek > vlačiti (Blg, Cz, Sl, Sr) > to drag > trahere > σέρνω > draga

zur > zora (C.Sl) > dawn, bright > aurum > χάραμα > auštra

bal > jal, bel (C.Sl) > white > alpus > λέυκος > baltas

There are plenty more in there too.

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Old 06-05-2015, 03:30 PM   #112
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I would disagree only with the last one:

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bal > jal, bel (C.Sl) > white > alpus > λέυκος > baltas
Greeks also had the word phalos (φαλός, not to be confused with phallos= phallus) which also meant white, bright, shiny. It is related to phalakros (bald headed), that was balakros in Macedonia (a common first name, met in 4 or 5 different persons in the days of Alexander). Also, the name of a mountain in Eastern Macedonia, Thrace (probably at the Greek-Bulgarian borders).

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Old 06-05-2015, 05:27 PM   #113
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Yeah but where did the word originate.Is it a strict greek word.Linguists have found ancient words that are roots in the Macedonian and greek.Alexander was a Macedonian name came the greeks we have alexandros,phillipos,So on just because its stated in greek doesn't mean that it was originally greek.That's not to say there aren't any greek words.I think a book has been written,by tashko belchevski about the words.
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Old 06-05-2015, 07:11 PM   #114
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Greeks also had the word phalos (φαλός, not to be confused with phallos= phallus) which also meant white, bright, shiny. It is related to phalakros (bald headed), that was balakros in Macedonia (a common first name, met in 4 or 5 different persons in the days of Alexander). Also, the name of a mountain in Eastern Macedonia, Thrace (probably at the Greek-Bulgarian borders).

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Balakros is consistent with ancient Macedonian phonology which is interesting as it makes words match in the north. Can Phallos, Phallus be explained etymologically in Greek?
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A few extremely obvious ones:

Thracian > Slavic > English > Latin > Greek > Lithuanian

zemla > zemlja (C.Sl), Zemja (Macedonian) > earth > terra, homma > χωμά > žeme

2 vedu,*** ud(a) > voda (C.Sl) udă (Blg dl.) > water > aqua, udis – marsh > νέρο > vandus

batku > batko (Blg, Ukr, Russ) > chief > potens > ποτινία > ponas
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There are sinmilarities of the Sanskrit .Latin has had similar words ie from eutruskan.
Examplse of latin cest stoij kaj trust.Everything stays in trust.Starri decisisis.Old decision.Don't be surprised of the similarities of eutruskan to Macedonian.
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Greeks also had the word phalos (φαλός, not to be confused with phallos= phallus) which also meant white, bright, shiny. It is related to phalakros (bald headed), that was balakros in Macedonia (a common first name, met in 4 or 5 different persons in the days of Alexander). Also, the name of a mountain in Eastern Macedonia, Thrace (probably at the Greek-Bulgarian borders).

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According to Serafimov, in his paper "Etymological Analysis of Thracian Toponyms and Hydronyms," the original (ancient) Macedonian name for the Belasitza mountain range was "Βάλάκρος (Balakros)."

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Oρβέλος (Orbelos) was Thracian name of the mountain Belasitsa. According Georgiev it means White Mountain, coming from the Phrygian, or Peonian – Βελον, corresponding to Bulgarian бел (bel) white. To that I would like to add that bel, bjal– white is common Slavic word. The Macedonian name of Oρβέλος was Βάλάκρος, which Georgiev sees as Βάλ-άκρος – White top [3], p. 33. Βάλ means white, and άκρος corresponds in my opinion to the Phrygian word akris – end, top [14], p. 158, related to Russian крыша (krǎiša) roof, top, and also to Slovene word kraj - end, Serbian and Bulgarian words край (krai) – top, end.
In my opinion, I see -akros as being the same word that is found in Greek. On the other hand, Bal- seems to correspond more with the Slavic Bjal. Here, Macedonian undergoes a similar development from a common root that is found in the Thracian -belo(s) (from Orbelos) and the Paeonian Byl(a)- (from Bylazora). Now, Βαλακρός (Balakros) according to Henry George Liddell's dictionary on Macedonian was the Macedonian version of "Φαλακρός (Phalakros)" (bald-headed). I'm not certain how much of a difference the difference in accents makes, but it seems to be enough to be noted as 2 different words by these two linguists.
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Fanula Papazoglu wrote On some "Thracian" names in Illyria (Sur quelques noms "Thraces" en Illyrie).

On one of the pages it is stated that (it's essentially a summary): Illyrians and Thracians were not the only ethnic groups in the (northern) Balkans. Between them, and among them, there existed one more, even perhaps two ethnic groups.

On the same page: In northern Macedonia, that is - Paeonia, Pelagonia, Mygdonia - there were also remnants of inhabitants who were neither Macedonian, nor Illyrian, nor Thracian. Beside the Paeonians, who were likely close to the Phrygians, the Edonians belonged to the same ethnic family.
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