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Old 07-29-2009, 07:32 PM   #11
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Culture, Civilization, And Demarcation at the Northwest Borders of Greece by Laurie Kain Hart page 202

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8520990/Cu...ders-of-Greece

and this link

http://www.jstor.org/pss/647505


So as even Brailsford has mentioned before it was the Vlachs of Macedonia who were the backbone of the 19th century propaganda tool created by the German Droysen "hellenism". Where are these majority ethnic "greeks" that bounce up and down all the time telling us we're not Macedonians

I also would like to note that the Macedonians are mentioned as primarily a "Laboring class" Laborer = Bulgar.
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Old 07-29-2009, 11:40 PM   #12
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the question of greeks in macedonia is very confusing due to 2 very important factors. firstly the influence of the mainly greek speaking heirachy of the orthodox church and the prestige of being greek and secondly most "evidence" is from the latter part of the 19th century over 50s years since the creation of neo hellas. within that time the propganda and influence of neo hellas permeated the balkans and consequently many people were hellenised at an individual family village or like the vlachs even at an ethnic level.

i would like to see how the situation looked in the late 1700s. thats when we can determine who was what in the balkans before the establishment of the new christian kingdoms, not after vested political forces had already begun to influence poeples ethnic identification. a simmilar thing happened with the emergence of bulgaria and the subsequent bulgarisation of macedonian people.
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i would like to see how the situation looked in the late 1700s. thats when we can determine who was what in the balkans before the establishment of the new christian kingdoms, not after vested political forces had already begun to influence poeples ethnic identification
Very true. Hence the reason why I wrote the below.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=962

Of course, there is much to elaborate, but it is a good starting point to get the structure of events clarified and in place.
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Osiris, there was a reason for wiping out the Ohrid Archbishopric in the 1700's.
The decision came from Istanbul with huge influence from the phanariotes. I have never read anywhere about the locals protesting about the Ohrid Archbishopric, therefore can only assume they were looking after their flock .... All over Macedonia.

I would like to know what a "Greek" in Macedonia was in the 1700's if anyone would like to chip in. And if we remove ethnic Vlachs from the equation, then I would like to read about this 1 person.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:21 AM   #15
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exactly my a point risto in the 1700 s one would have been hard pressed to find agreek in attika boetia the peloponese many of the islands thessaly eprirus etc etc let alone in macedonia. then sudenly we find greeks everywhere in russia the ukraine in bulgaria turkey albania serbia rumania and macedonia we should never forget the megali idea originally encompassed even parts of italy and egypt.

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The Macedonian Conflict By Loring M. Danforth page 117.

I think the above speaks volumes. Besides the newly arrived Baptised Turks we see the obvious Macedonians being the majority but the Vlachs were transplanted in the 1950's in Lerin and the imposter Hellenes moved into Lerin after 1913. I highly suspect that after 1913 alot of imposter hellenes were moving into Macedonia. So where is this 4000 years of "greek" history???????


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only 10%???? And I'm sure that even that 10% of the population is questionable!
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10% is very optimistic and probably limited to trade and religion matters.
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The following is from the book The Past In Question by Keith Brown. It seems that we have a discrepency with ethnic Albanian numbers before 1999.



In the 2002 census ethnic Albanians made up 25.2% of the population of the Republic of Macedonia - https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/mk.html

So now where did these 200,000 new ethnic Albanians come from???

According to the U.N. as well Macedonia is inhabited by 600,000 ethnic Albanians http://www.unwire.org/unwire/20010321/13619_story.asp

Again,,,where did these newcomer ethnic Albanians come from in such a short span of time considering the last census was made in 2002???

Can they all be from Kosovo?
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I am quite curious about the growth in the above table from 1971 to 1981 and wonder if there was anything odd with that period. But the 2002 census is clearly flawed if we have reached 600,000 ethnic Albanians and Kosovo is the only answer.
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