Chentovist the Slav

[Gocka]

We don't even know this. Really. Until we definitively know the language of the ancient Macedonians and Thracians, we cannot even say the "Slavs" gave us a large component of our language.

Notwithstanding this, I have no need to feel an immediate connection with antiquity. I think it gets weirder and weirder the more you think about it.

I think I have to agree, the more you dig the more it doesn’t make sense. That is why I never let it concern me too much. It’s fun for educational purposes and that’s about it.

Personally it is enough that I know my Father, Grandfather, and Great Grandfather all knew they were Macedonians and did not know anything else. They did not know Bulgarian, or Slav, or anything else but Macedonian.

I think digging so deep and trying to find personal connections with historical peoples is a sign of insecurity. I know what I am and how I feel without having to pick up a history book. Why can't we and everyone else just be proud of whom they are today, and focus on what they are doing today as a people and personally. It's pathetic if you think about it; clinging on to the past because they have no future and are not doing anything with their lives currently.
Even politically these issues are irrelevant. As a human being I have the right to consider myself whatever I want, and ask that other human beings respect that. I don’t care where my language came from, I don’t know any Slavs nor do I even know what they are and what it means, I know my language is different from all other languages today and I choose to call my language Macedonian, it’s that simple.

[dekapentaugoustos]

Regarding the language, maybe this illustration can help or initiate a discussion (it's slightly different than I expected).

So, some of you are suggesting that all Slavic languages should be considered a result and should be under Old Church Slavonic?

[Vangelovski]

Regarding the language, maybe this illustration can help or initiate a discussion (it's slightly different than I expected).

So, some of you are suggesting that all Slavic languages should be considered a result and should be under Old Church Slavonic?

You might want to have a think about your avatar - this isn't a porn site and i don't want to be blocked from visiting the forum at work because of those images. If it causes me trouble again, I will change it for you.

[lavce pelagonski]

Do you guys think this map is a good representation of how many people speak Macedonian, I think in Pirin should be at least 95%. I am interested to find out if the number is higher in Egej.

[lavce pelagonski]

State Number
Census Data Lower Range Higher Range
Macedonia 1,344,815[67] 1,344,815[67] 2,022,547[68]
Albania 4,697[69] 30,000[70] - 150,000[2]
Bulgaria 1,404[71] 1,404[72] 50,000[2]
Greece 35,000 [54] 250,000 [2]
Serbia 14,355[73] 4,355[73] 30,000[citation needed]

from wiki

[Bill77]

It’s amazing to me that someone who otherwise seems pretty intelligent would stoop to such childish antics as, name changes and declaring that he will leave.

Why would he change his name?.......A fresh start i suppose, to turn another page, move on etc. i'm guessing He could have felt after a return with his former name, the situation would have been a continuation of where he left off, which back then, from memory it was unpleasant and disrespect shown towards him.

i wouldn't call it childish behaviour for trying to start afresh and hoping his contribution (message) is judged by its merits.

Another thing, he never denied it (being the same person). He just wanted to move on and i think we should have just moved on. We all knew who he was, he knew that we knew, so there was no point pressing the issue. But clearly there are some unhealed wounds amongst some members in here which should have been healed by now.

Why was he hear in the first place if he didn’t want to be and why did he leave?

He did want to be, but not with baggage.

[Vangelovski]

Bill77,

He did deny it, for example:

Who but you and the Soldier gives a fark about who "Indigen" was/is and how I compare to him? Give it a break, mate!

None of us cared that he came back, he had a lot to contribute. But he was being childish when he left the first time, while he was away (through FB), when he came back as Pelagon and now that he's had another tanty and left.

[Gocka]

Why would he change his name?.......A fresh start i suppose, to turn another page, move on etc. i'm guessing He could have felt after a return with his former name, the situation would have been a continuation of where he left off, which back then, from memory it was unpleasant and disrespect shown towards him.

i wouldn't call it childish behaviour for trying to start afresh and hoping his contribution (message) is judged by its merits.

Another thing, he never denied it (being the same person). He just wanted to move on and i think we should have just moved on. We all knew who he was, he knew that we knew, so there was no point pressing the issue. But clearly there are some unhealed wounds amongst some members in here which should have been healed by now.

He did want to be, but not with baggage.

Interesting, I have not been here long enough to know the details but I am actually saddened that it had to come to this. I liked the guy, whoever he was.
It should not come to this people, how are we supposed to stand up to our enemies when we can't stand each other? We should not alienate each other like this.
At least unlike many other departed, at least his heart was in the right place and his ideology was solid. We have to learn to respect each other despite our differences, no one is perfect.
I for one wish him good luck and hope he comes back.

[Solid]

Waow, this thread has gone pretty bad, so many misunderstandings here. First, the words "slav(s)", "slavic(s)" can only be used to denote a language who belong to the Slavic group. It's incorrect today to speak of "slavic" ethnicity, "slavic" culture or whatever. It's impossible that 300 millions slavophones share the same ethnic background, or the same culture. The slavophones are a heterogeneous group, even if the languages that belongs to the Slavic group are more homogeneous than, for example, the languages who belong to the Germanic group.

Chentovist, I think you're naive, really, Bulgarians and Russians, "Slavic" brothers who work for the good of Macedonia and Macedonians... I've heard many stupid things but this is the worst. How can you be so ignorant of your own history? I don't blame your for being pan-Slavist, I agree with the idea of good relationships between the others Slavic nations, because we share some cultural traits (Orthodoxy, Cyrillic ...). But just look at the Bulgarians, Serbians, they deny us. I am not seeking friendship with them, all that matters is my Macedonia, and my people.

Here's a good quote from Risto the Great :

Until we definitively know the language of the ancient Macedonians and Thracians, we cannot even say the "Slavs" gave us a large component of our language.

Think about it.

[Bill77]

Hello solid and welcome.

Great first couple of posts mate.

May I ask, how long you have been reading this forum?
And where are you calling from

[Risto the Great]

Solid post solid.

[Bill77]

Bill77,

He did deny it, for example:

Im probably wrong but i interpret it different. its not a real denial even if he does not confess it. it sounds like "what ever lets move on". Its just like his posts, clearly he wanted to avoid it, but by wanting to avoid it does not mean he is lying it only means he doesn't want to discuss it, and i can only guess its due to he being uncomfortable the cats out of the bag. im sure us regulars sensed this discomfort, and that being the case, Indigen being one of our long time servants, we should have given him some dignity by letting go of the issue and moved on.

None of us cared that he came back, he had a lot to contribute. But he was being childish when he left the first time, while he was away (through FB), when he came back as Pelagon and now that he's had another tanty and left.[/FONT][/COLOR]

The real sad thing is, you two were very close. you made it clear in one of your posts that you used to back him the most. its a shame if he cant see the respect you did have for him and probably still do.

[Risto the Great]

Here is how I see it. If we were going to war as Macedonians, I'd want him on my side!

[Bill77]

Here is how I see it. If we were going to war as Macedonians, I'd want him on my side!

for sure.

[lavce pelagonski]

Slavovist are you normal or do you just love kneeling down for your forum members.

Nemas pamet ako sakas promena na imeto!

The greeks have agreed on a geographic qualifier for the name. So it will be known as either;

Northern Macedonia
Vardar Macedonia
Upper Macedonia.

The question is, will the albanians call themselves Vardar Macedonians?