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Old 02-21-2011, 07:38 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by makedonin View Post
The same usage was attested in the Hewrew word Javan, wich today it is translated as Greek.
"Javan" denotes usually and properly Ionia, the western part of Asia Minor; which Today this region is part of Turkey.

Now who were these "Ionians" around 1000 years BC? well its certainly not these malakas we know as Greeks today.

Anyway, whats so special about the Ionians from around 1000BC and why did "Javan" denote "Ionia"?

Because Ionia was the birthplace of the new science.
A qualitative change occurred in Ionia shortly after 1000 BC. A place where civilization broke the link between religion and science and established a new discipline for systematic attempts to understand and explain nature. The new discipline was called philosophy, literally "love of wisdom", and science was part of it. A place where local Ancient scholars kept religion out of science. It was believed that religion was not suitable as a tool to explain the natural world.

So you see the word Javan/Ionia then later Hellene, was given to anyone who chose science over religion. It was not an ethnic sense. And those that translate it today as Greek (in an ethnic sense) is very wrong and its totally misleading.

Makedonin, Knowing that you are an athiest, if you walked the streets anywhere in the world back in ancient days, you also would have been labelled a Hellene. Now According to Greeks and some modern scholars, you would have been an ethnic Greek. How ridiculous is that.
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