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TrueMacedonian 04-26-2010 04:57 PM

[QUOTE]TrueMacedonian, as always, you are an awesome dude, and you inspire me![/QUOTE]

Thanks Julie :flowers: I'm glad to spread the word and to make our people and other people think as well.

TrueMacedonian 04-26-2010 05:00 PM

Here is another theory that may intrigue some of you. The theory that the "man of Macedonia" was none other than Alexander the Great (also includes the first European convert to christianity);

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TrueMacedonian 04-26-2010 05:08 PM

Some more info (and more to come from this same author later);

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makedonin 04-27-2010 03:34 AM

Interestingly, in the Coine Version of the Acts 16.9 of 1550 Stephanus New Testament it says
[QUOTE] ανηρ τις ην μακεδων εστως, παρακαλων αυτον και λεγων διαβας εις μακεδονιαν βοηθησον ημιν

[url]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2016.9&version=TR1550[/url]
[/QUOTE]

I have the Biyantine version and it has the same words as above, which would roughly translate in

[QUOTE]Macedon man, not even pleasing him (in other words urging him), and saying, pass over to Macedonia and help us[/QUOTE]

Or as it is found in many Bible translations as :
[QUOTE]
A Macedonian man was standing there urgin him, "Come over to Macedonia and help us"
[/QUOTE]


So there is a hudge version between Macedonian man and man of Macedonia.

More to read about the translations:

[url]http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/meaning_vs_translation.htm[/url]

osiris 04-27-2010 04:10 AM

yes there is makedonin thanks for pointing it out because sometimes translations can change the meaning and significance of the phrase or word.

luke is considered greek because by then the word greek was a broad term used to denote culture and language not kinship.

makedonin 04-27-2010 04:32 AM

[QUOTE=osiris;49494]
luke is considered greek because by then the word greek was a broad term used to denote culture and language not kinship.[/QUOTE]


I don't know about that osiris.

How ever, I don't like quoting the wikipedia, still it can be asserted that in this case, the following is true:

[QUOTE]St. Paul in his Epistles uses Hellene almost always juxtaposed to Hebrew, and in disregard of all other ethnicities (Romans, Syrians, Egyptians, etc) living in the area at the time. This is probably done with the aim of representing the sums of those two religious communities, the polytheistic and the monotheistic, whose cardinal theological difference was belief to either many or to one god, respectively.[34] Hellene is used in a religious meaning for the first time in the New Testament. In the Gospel of Mark 7:26, a woman arrives before Jesus kneeling before him: "The woman was a Hellene, a Syrophœnician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."[35] Since the nationality or ethnicity of the woman is stated to be Syrophœnician, "Greek" (translated as such into the English of the King James Version, but as haižno "heathen" in Ulfilas's Gothic; Wycliffe and Coverdale likewise have heathen) must therefore signify her polytheistic religion.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Greeks[/url]
[/QUOTE]

The same usage was attested in the Hewrew word Javan, wich today it is translated as Greek.

[QUOTE]
Daniel 8:20-21
By the word “Javan” the Hebrews designate not only the Greeks but the: Macedonians, and the whole of that tract which is divided by the Hellespont, from Asia Minor as far as Illyricmn. Therefore the meaning is — the king of Greece.

[url]http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom25.iii.xxv.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]

So what is left for the Greeks there?

TrueMacedonian 04-27-2010 06:13 PM

[QUOTE=osiris;49494]yes there is makedonin thanks for pointing it out because sometimes translations can change the meaning and significance of the phrase or word.

luke is considered greek because by then the word greek was a broad term used to denote culture and language not kinship.[/QUOTE]

Todays Western Scholars have differing views on Luke's origins. The so-called "tradition" is to state that he is a Greek from Antioch. However I have not seen anything in the bible to call him a Greek.

TrueMacedonian 04-27-2010 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=makedonin;49486]Interestingly, in the Coine Version of the Acts 16.9 of 1550 Stephanus New Testament it says


I have the Biyantine version and it has the same words as above, which would roughly translate in



Or as it is found in many Bible translations as :



So there is a hudge version between Macedonian man and man of Macedonia.

More to read about the translations:

[url]http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/meaning_vs_translation.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for this Makedonin.

TrueMacedonian 04-27-2010 06:16 PM

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and the names underlined here are of Macedonians who were integral in spreading the good word;

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Makedonetz 04-27-2010 06:25 PM

TrueMacedonian awsome references i have something to look up and study


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