Isocrates - Letter to Phillip II of Macedon (4th Century BC)

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    • Sep 2008
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    Isocrates - Letter to Phillip II of Macedon (4th Century BC)

    Isocrates was an Attic orator who lived during the 4th century BC, and was a contemporary of Phillip II of Macedon and Demosthenes, another Attic orator. Demosthenes was vehemently opposed to Phillip and Macedonia, as he saw the true intention of the Macedonians and their desire to subjugate the Hellenic city-states and their people. Isocrates, on the other hand, unwittingly thought it more beneficial to the Hellenes if Phillip could be persuaded to treat them as friends. As a result of Macedonian royalty claiming descent from a god (Heracles, no less), a fiction that originates from Herodotus' story about Alexander 'Philhellene' and the Olympic games, Isocrates appealed to the supposed ‘Hellenic’ descent of Phillip, stroking the Macedonian’s ego, who was being likened to a god by this opportunistic old fool.

    Here is an example of Isocrates’ false hopes, naivety and flattery:
    .....you and you alone had been granted by fortune free scope both to send ambassadors to whom ever you desire and to receive them from whom ever you please, and to say whatever you think expedient; and that, besides, you, beyond any of the Hellenes, were possessed of both wealth and power.....(15-6)
    In the same paragraph, Isocrates goes on to say that persuasion will be helpful in dealing with the Hellenes, clearly hoping to appeal to Phillip's 'better' side, in the hope that the Hellenes will be treated mercifully. Despite the fact that Philip had no genuine interest in 'Panhellenism', Isocrates foolishly believed that, were he to draw some apparent 'ancestral' links wrapped up in a flattering mythology between the founder of his race (Heracles) and the people (Hellenes) he was preparing to attack, Phillip would listen to reason. The following text being a perfect example:
    I affirm that, without neglecting any of your own interests, you ought to make an effort to reconcile Argos and Lacedaemon and Thebes and Athens; for if you can bring these cities together, you will not find it hard to unite the others as well...........Argos is the land of your fathers, and is entitled to as much consideration at your hands as are your own ancestors; the Thebans honour the founder of your race, both by processionals and by sacrifices, beyond all the other gods; the Lacedaemonians have conferred upon his descendants the kingship and the power of command for all time..........Athens single-handed sustained the greatest dangers against the power of Eurystheus, put an end to his insolence, and freed Heracles' sons from the fears by which they were continually beset. Because of these services we deserve the gratitude, not only of those who then were preserved from destruction, but also of those who are now living.........(30-5)
    ...among all the Hellenes you shall stand forth as a statesman who has worked for the good of Hellas. (140)
    Unfortunately, Isocrates doesn't seem to realise that he is giving Phillip all the more confidence to subjugate the Hellenes, and an idea of what is required to meet that objective.
    I think that she will join forces with you in carrying out your policy, especially if she can be made to see that your object is to prepare for the campaign against the barbarians.(56)
    Phillip and his son Alexander would often pull out the 'revenge at Persia' card when it suited them, as they did with their mythological 'ancestry', but few Hellenes of their day were naive enough to believe the Macedonian kings.
    if you fall short of your expectations you will at any rate win the good will of all the Hellenes--which is a better thing to gain than to take by force many Hellenic cities; for achievements of the latter kind entail envy and hostility and much opprobrium, but that which I have urged entails none of these things....... (67-8)
    Phillip, Alexander and subsequent Macedonian kings did the exact opposite of what Isocrates was begging for, as is clearly evidenced throughout ancient history. And the flattery continued:
    …..Men of the highest renown will come as ambassadors from the greatest states to your court; you will advise with them about the general welfare, for which no other man will be found to have shown a like concern; you will see all Hellas on tiptoe with interest in whatever you happen to propose; and no one will be indifferent to the measures which are being decided in your councils….(69-70)
    How utterly sweet, all Hellas will be on tiptoe for what Isocrates fancifully describes as a lover of Hellas and one of the blood of Hellas. As it turned out, the Hellenes were on tiptoe while fleeing from imminent death at the hands of the Macedonian soldiers of Phillip, as was the case during the historic Macedonian victory over the Hellenes at Chaeronea and the subsequent subjugation of the Hellenic city-states.

    Here is what the ancient authors wrote with regard to the Macedonian victory over the Greeks at Chaeronea, and the general attitude of Phillip and the Macedonians as opposed to the Greeks. ****Plutarch continues to speak about the Greek hatred for the Macedonians even after the event of Chaeronea.


    .......it is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammelled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race........it will be found that I turned to Athens first of all and endeavoured to win her over to this cause with all the earnestness of which my nature is capable, but when I perceived that she cared less for what I said than for the ravings of the platform orators, I gave her up, although I did not abandon my efforts. (127-9)
    Of course Phillip was blessed with untrammelled freedom, he was the king of Macedonia, the most powerful state in Europe at the time. And the underlined text highlights Isocrates' motive for turning to Phillip - His own countrymen did not want to listen to him or his advice, which proved to be entirely inaccurate in any case. Demosthenes was not alone, and his words are reflective of the thoughts of the overwhelming mass of Hellenes during the reign of the Macedonians. Few actually bought the story that the Macedonian kings were 'Hellenes', as Demosthenes indicated in his verbal attack against Phillip:

    Here is a summary of the main points present in the Phillipic speeches of the famous Greek orator from Athens, Demosthenes. The Phillipics consist mainly of anti-Macedonian rhetoric, in an era where Greece's very liberty and way of life was dangerously threatened by the Macedonians under their strong king, Phillip II.


    Isocrates speaks against the majority Hellenes represented by Demosthenes, calling their very real concerns about Phillip's true (and ultimate) intentions mere rubbish, as indicated in the following text:
    I observe that you are being painted in false colours by men who are jealous of you........they keep talking about your power, representing that it is being built up, not in behalf of Hellas, but against her, that you have for a long time been plotting against us all.........By speaking this rubbish........(73-76)
    Phillip was plotting against the Hellenes and he did succeed in subjugating them.

    Isocrates' views of Macedonia and the Macedonian people are markedly different from that of the Macedonian kings.
    More than that, he has about him the ablest men in Macedonia, who, however inexperienced they may be in other matters, are likely to know better than you do what is expedient for him. Furthermore, you will find that there are many Hellenes living in his country, who are not unknown to fame or lacking in intelligence, but men by sharing whose counsel he has not diminished his kingdom but has, on the contrary, accomplished deeds which match his dreams. (19)
    A clear distinction is made between the (ablest) men in Macedonia on the one hand, and the Hellenes living in Phillip's country (as colonists) on the other.
    And mark that I am summoning you to an undertaking in which you will make expeditions, not with the barbarians against men who have given you no just cause, but with the Hellenes against those upon whom it is fitting that the descendants of Heracles should wage war. (115)
    The above is clearly in reference to Phillip and his barbarians (Macedonians) making expeditions against the Hellenes.
    ………………….And the founder of your empire......held entirely aloof from Hellenic territory, and set his heart upon occupying the throne of Macedon.......he alone among the Hellenes did not claim the right to rule over a people of kindred race, he alone was able to escape the perils incident to one-man power. (106-8)
    Macedonia was entirely aloof from Hellenic territory. That cannot be disputed. Below is another clear distinction between Macedonians and Hellenes.
    It remains, then, to summarize what I have said in this discourse, in order that you may see in the smallest compass the substance of my counsels. I assert that it is incumbent upon you to work for the good of the Hellenes, to reign as king over the Macedonians, and to extend your power over the greatest possible number of the barbarians. For if you do these things, all men will be grateful to you: the Hellenes for your kindness to them; the Macedonians if you reign over them, not like a tyrant, but like a king; and the rest of the nations, if by your hands they are delivered from barbaric despotism and are brought under the protection of Hellas. (154)
    In addition to Herodotus' story, Isocrates had also allowed for the 'Hellenic' appellation to be attached to the Macedonian kings through other means, which could basically apply to any person of the time that had acquired an Attic education and/or had an appreciation for certain cultural characteristics of the Hellenes. Indeed, the Hellenes were no longer even a race, as stated in his Panegyricus:
    And so far has our city distanced the rest of mankind in thought and in speech that her pupils have become the teachers of the rest of the world; and she has brought it about that the name Hellenes suggests no longer a race but an intelligence, and that the title Hellenes is applied rather to those who share our culture than to those who share a common blood. (50)
    The basis for Phillip's false 'Hellenic' origins (as proposed by Isocrates) are exposed in several ways, and do not go unnoticed by later scholars that have studied his works. Those that have assessed Isocrates' works agree that it is little more than flattery and false hope. Peter Green states the following:
    "taken as a whole the Address to Philip must have caused its recipient considerable sardonic amusement........Its ethnic conceit was only equalled by its naivety..........though Philip did not give a fig for Panhellenism as an idea, he at once saw how it could be turned into highly effective camouflage (a notion which his son subsequently took over ready-made). Isocrates had, unwittingly, supplied him with the propaganda-line he needed. From now on he merely had to clothe his Macedonian ambitions in a suitable Panhellenic dress."
    Pierre Jouguet states the following:
    "So little do the Macedonians seem to have belonged to the Hellenic community at the beginning, that they did not take part in the great Games of Greece, and when the Kings of Macedon were admitted to them, it was not as Macedonians, but as Heraclids. Isocrates, in the 'Philip' praises them for not having imposed their kingship on the Hellenes, to whom the kingship is always oppressive, and for having gone among foreigners to establish it. He, therefore, did not regard the Macedonians as Greeks."
    Ulrich Wilcken wrote:
    "When Philip read the book, the insistence of his descent from Heracles must have been welcome to him; for in his policy he had to stress this mythical derivation, as the types of Heracles on his coins show. But on the other hand he must have smiled at the naiveté shown by Isocrates"

    In conclusion, it is critical to cite the words of Pausanias:
    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=1063
    On a pillar is a statue of Isocrates, whose memory is remarkable for three things: his diligence in continuing to teach to the end of his ninety-eight years, his self-restraint in keeping aloof from politics and from interfering with public affairs, and his love of liberty in dying a voluntary death, distressed at the news of the battle at Chaeronea (1.18.8).
    Everything that Isocrates thought Phillip was turned out to be false, and everything he dreaded came true. He died as a result of Phillip going against his wishes and destroying the liberty of the Hellenes. Pausanias confirms it several times:
    I have already said in my history of Attica that the defeat at Chaeronea was a disaster for all the Greeks (Hellenes)………..(9.6.5).
    It is abundantly clear, the Macedonians were never Hellenes.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
  • Risto the Great
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    • Sep 2008
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    #2
    It is abundantly clear, the Macedonians were never Hellenes.
    Abundantly clear indeed.
    Nice assessment SoM.
    Risto the Great
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    • Soldier of Macedon
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      • Sep 2008
      • 13669

      #3
      Thanks RtG.

      Given that Isocrates is psychotically cited by internet Greeks, I thought it appropriate to expose the holes in their inaccurate theories and false assertions. I think the article achieves this, and of course, should anybody wish to challenge the above, they are more than welcome to.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Pelister
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2742

        #4
        The context is all important, and you have provided the context. Thanks SoM.

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13669

          #5
          Indeed Pelister, taking things out of context is the Greek way, bringing them back into context and proper perspective is the Macedonian way.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • TrueMacedonian
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 3810

            #6
            This is an excellent topic SoM. Your sources are all solid. And I don't think the internet grks will be able to argue any of the above that you posted.
            Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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            • makedonin
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1668

              #7
              Nice Job SoM.

              All we have to do is read it properly, and it is mostly self explanatory.
              To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13669

                #8
                It does explain itself, so long as the proper context is taken into consideration. This is the key to cutting through the fog created by modern Greeks during the last 200 years, the situation is only as complicated as one makes it.

                Peter Green's take on it is quite sober and objective, his opinion can hardly be refuted by modern Greeks and philhellenic scholars, there can be no doubt that the only thing that Isocrates had achieved was that he unwittingly, supplied him with the propaganda-line he needed. From now on he merely had to clothe his Macedonian ambitions in a suitable Panhellenic dress......

                The poor fool gave Phillip the perfect idea for subjugating the Hellenes, which was taken advantage of by the Macedonians, to the fullest extent. History is full of Macedonian battles against the Hellenes, Isocrates would have died 10 times over had he known about all of the other Macedonian victories against the Hellenes in subsequent years. I guess he was as naive as modern Greeks are today about what the Macedonian kings represented.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Napoleon
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 98

                  #9
                  Hi S.O.M.

                  Great work. To further add to it, I feel Isocrates' letter to Philip should be seen together directly in comparison with Demosthenes' response to Philip as they both respresent the two main Greek approaches to the inevitable forseeability of Macedonia's future invasion and enslavement of Greece. While Demosthenes takes the line of total definance, Isocrates on the other hand takes a Neville Chamberlain like approach of appeasement in order to try to gain the best outcome for the Greeks in the inevitable recognition that Macedonia will soon invade and occupy Greece. Isocrates to attempts to appeal to Philip to go easy on the Greeks by invoking the of Argive myth of the Macedonian royal family (the Argead house) being descended from Greeks originating from Argos.

                  It is interesting to note that when Demosthenes states the Philip is 'not a Greek nor related to the Greeks', he is commonly misinterpreted as referring to the Macedonian people in general as being 'not Greek'. This is not the case. From Demosthenes and Isocrates works it is clear that they both considered Macedonians to be a non-Greek foreign people as a generally acknowledged universal fact. When Demosthenes states that Philip is 'not a Greek' he is directly attacking the Argive myth of the Argead house being descended from Argive Greeks. When Demosthenes states that Philip is 'not a Greek' he is stating that he is not an 'Argive Greek', but is simply as non-Greek foreigner who has no connection to the Greeks whatsoever (he is simply just a Macedonian, a non-Greek people who don't even make good slaves).
                  Last edited by Napoleon; 07-17-2009, 07:45 PM.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13669

                    #10
                    An Argive myth conjured by Alexander Philhellene and Herodotus.
                    Originally posted by Napoleon
                    When Demosthenes states that Philip is 'not a Greek' he is directly attacking the Argive myth of the Argead house being descended from Argive Greeks. When Demosthenes states that Philip is 'not a Greek' he is stating that he is not an 'Argive Greek', but is simply as non-Greek foreigner who has no connection to the Greeks whatsoever (he is simply just a Macedonian, a non-Greek people who don't even make good slaves).
                    Very well put and a concise explanation, this is also confirmed when Demosthenes states:
                    Ay, and you know this also, that the wrongs which the Hellenes suffered from the Lacedaemonians or from us, they suffered at all events at the hands of true-born sons of Hellas, and they might have been regarded as the acts of a legitimate son, born to great possessions, who should be guilty of some fault or error in the management of his estate: so far he would deserve blame and reproach, yet it could not be said that it was not one of the blood, not the lawful heir who was acting thus. (3-30)
                    It is clearly an attack on the Argive myth. And that is confirmed by the very next sentence in the speech:
                    But if some slave or superstitious bastard had wasted and squandered what he had no right to, heavens! how much more monstrous and exasperating all would have called it! Yet they have no such qualms about Philip and his present conduct, though he is not only no Hellene, nor related to the Hellenes, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honor, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave. (3-31)
                    There is no disputing the above.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • Spartan
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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1037

                      #11
                      Ay, and you know this also, that the wrongs which the Hellenes suffered from the Lacedaemonians or from us, they suffered at all events at the hands of true-born sons of Hellas, and they might have been regarded as the acts of a legitimate son, born to great possessions, who should be guilty of some fault or error in the management of his estate: so far he would deserve blame and reproach, yet it could not be said that it was not one of the blood, not the lawful heir who was acting thus. (3-30)
                      Just to play devils advocate for a minute SoM, so please bare with me for a moment. From the bolded excerpt above, are we to conclude that the ancient Spartans are not Hellenes or 'true-born sons of Hellas' ?

                      You know my personal opinion on the matter of the Ancient Macedonians and their Greekness. Im not saying they were.
                      My point is just that Ive read many texts, and quotes where Greek tribes/peoples are refered to as seperate from Hellenes.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
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                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13669

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Spartan
                        Just to play devils advocate for a minute SoM, so please bare with me for a moment. From the bolded excerpt above, are we to conclude that the ancient Spartans are not Hellenes or 'true-born sons of Hellas' ?
                        Hi Spartan, thanks for becoming engaged in this conversation.

                        The short answer to your question is NO, how did you come to that conclusion from the above excerpt? The sentence in question distinctly states that the Spartans are (alongside the Athenians) considered true-born sons of Hellas;
                        ....the wrongs which the Hellenes suffered from the Lacedaemonians or from us, they suffered at all events at the hands of true-born sons of Hellas....
                        In the above text Demosthenes is basically telling his audience that even though Hellenes have fought each other and wronged each other, it was at the hands of true Hellenes themselves, such as Spartans and Athenians, and not at the hand of a barbarian from Macedonia. For, immediately after the excerpt in question, reference and comparison is made to Phillip, who is not only no Hellene, nor related to the Hellenes. Demosthenes was clear, Athenians and Spartans are true-born sons of Hellas, Phillip of Macedon was not.


                        Spartan, I have seen the above excerpt presented in an inconclusive and manipulated manner several times by Greeks (not that I am suggesting you do this), that is why context is so important, when the texts of Demosthenes and Isocrates are taken in context, it is clear that they do not consider the Macedonians as Greeks and that only Isocrates and the few that listened to him believed the fanciful story that the Macedonian kings were of Argive descent.
                        My point is just that Ive read many texts, and quotes where Greek tribes/peoples are refered to as seperate from Hellenes.
                        The Demosthenes and Isocrates text do not fall in that category. And in those texts where Hellenic tribes are referred to individually alongside the Hellenes, how many of them call the otherside "not Hellene nor even related to Hellenes" (Demosthenes) or record something akin to a "racial/tribal rivalry between Greek and Macedonian" (Arrian)?

                        My guess is none, if you have anything to the contrary, please share it.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Spartan
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                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1037

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                          Hi Spartan, thanks for becoming engaged in this conversation.

                          how did you come to that conclusion from the above excerpt?
                          and you know this also, that the wrongs which the Hellenes suffered from the Lacedaemonians

                          I interpreted 'from the', as 'at the hands of ', thus assuming that the 'Hellenes' suffered at the hands of the 'Lacadaemonians', which would imo, differentiate the 2 as 'seperate'.
                          However, I see what you are saying, and I didnt analyze too closely the next few lines.
                          how many of them call the otherside "not Hellene nor even related to Hellenes"
                          None that I can recall

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                          • Epirot
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                            • Mar 2010
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                            #14
                            Nice summarization of Isocrates's thoughts about Macedonians. Keep up the good work, SoM!

                            I am looking for a passage in letters of Isocrate, when he urged Philip II to conquer Asia and to found cities when Balkanian peasants might be permanently settled there to safe those territories. In a book I found this passage (taken from To Philip, 120) but it was just interpretation of author, not the original text.
                            Can you find where Isocrates demanded from Philip such action?
                            Thnx
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                            • thessalo-niki
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 191

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Epirot View Post
                              Nice summarization of Isocrates's thoughts about Macedonians. Keep up the good work, SoM!

                              I am looking for a passage in letters of Isocrate, when he urged Philip II to conquer Asia and to found cities when Balkanian peasants might be permanently settled there to safe those territories. In a book I found this passage (taken from To Philip, 120) but it was just interpretation of author, not the original text.
                              Can you find where Isocrates demanded from Philip such action?
                              Thnx
                              You want the original? Take it.
                              [120]... ὅπου δ' Ἰάσων λόγῳ μόνον χρησάμενος οὕτως αὑτὸν ηὔξησεν, ποίαν τινὰ χρὴ προσδοκᾶν περὶ σοῦ γνώμην αὐτοὺς ἕξειν, ἢν ἔργῳ ταῦτα πράξῃς, καὶ μάλιστα μὲν πειραθῇς ὅλην τὴν βασιλείαν ἑλεῖν, εἰ δὲ μή, χώραν ὅτι πλείστην ἀφορίσασθαι καὶ διαλαβεῖν τὴν Ἀσίαν, ὡς λέγουσί τινες, ἀπὸ Κιλικίας μέχρι Σινώπης, πρὸς δὲ τούτοις κτίσαι πόλεις ἐπὶ τούτῳ τῷ τόπῳ, καὶ κατοικίσαι τοὺς νῦν πλανωμένους δι' ἔνδειαν τῶν καθ' ἡμέραν καὶ λυμαινομένους οἷς ἂν ἐντύχωσιν...

                              and the translation:
                              [120] Now since Jason by use of words alone advanced himself so far, what opinion must we expect the world will have of you if you actually do this thing; above all, if you undertake to conquer the whole empire of the King, or, at any rate, to wrest from it a vast extent of territory and sever from it—to use a current phrase—“Asia from Cilicia to Sinope”; and if, furthermore, you undertake to establish cities in this region, and to settle in permanent abodes those who now, for lack of the daily necessities of life, are wandering from place to place and committing outrages upon whomsoever they encounter?
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