History says: Ancient Makedonia was Not Greek!

[Makedonian]

Macedonian bloggers READ the Objective historical truth from the U.S.A. book "Alexander the Great: Macedonian King and Conqueror"(2004) by Bernard Rendall and I quote:

" MACEDON
Although today there is a country called Greece, in ancient times it did not exist. Instead there were many small independent city-states inhabited by Greek-speaking peoples...Alexander the Great came from Macedon, a region now largely in northern Greece, but also partly in Bulgaria and the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia. The Macedonians of the fourth century BC were on he edges of Grek cvilization, both geogrpahically and culturally. The Macedonian language was related to Greek, BUT MACEDON'S NEIGHBOURS WOULD NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT" (my capitals)(p.9)

"By the time of Alexander, classical Greek culture influenced many aspects of the Macedonian culture, but many old customs remained. The Macedonains were fond of heavy driniking and hunting. MANY GREEKS THOUGHT OF MACEDONIANS AS BARBARIC AND UNCIVILISED. THE MACEDONIANS NO DOUBT LOOKED DOWN ON THE GREEKS AS WEAK AND "BOOKISH".(P. 9-10)

MACEDONIANS AND GREEKS CAN BE CONSIDERED TO COMPRISE ONE CULTURAL GROUP WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER CULTURES, SUCH AS THAT OF THE EGYPTIANS OR PERSIANS, BUT THEY THOUGHT OF THEMSELVES AS BEING DISTINCT PEOPLES IN MOST RESPECTS" (p. 10 my capitals)

The ancient Historian Bernard Rendall, and other Idependent (or non-Balkan)Indian and Phillipines, Bible translators(Christian community Bible - 2005 edition), and Australian Ancient hisotrian Historians,that I quoted in my previosus bloggs, clearly show that the Ancient Macedonians were a distinct cultural,lingustic people and in modern terms Macedonian Nation.

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Makedonija na Makedoncite!
Makedonia for the Makedonians!
FREEDOM TO QUEBEC / QUEBEC LIBRE!

[Risto the Great]

MACEDONIANS AND GREEKS CAN BE CONSIDERED TO COMPRISE ONE CULTURAL GROUP WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER CULTURES, SUCH AS THAT OF THE EGYPTIANS OR PERSIANS, BUT THEY THOUGHT OF THEMSELVES AS BEING DISTINCT PEOPLES IN MOST RESPECTS" (p. 10 my capitals)

As far as "one cultural group" goes ....
We can't be sure of that. But the EU is trying to present itself nowadays as one cultural group nowadays and we know this is a farce. Even merely trying to group the Latin or Germanic nations is being optimistic.

[Makedonian]

Ancient Makedonia is Not Greek - 2 -

Macedonian bloggers READ further ancient historical evidence of the existence of the Macedonian Empire and people in the Book from the U.S.A. "Alexander the Great: Macedonian King and Conqueror (2004) by the Scottish ancient Historian Bernard Rendall:

And I quote:

"PILLIP II
...It was in 338 that Alexander got his first taste of full scale battle. Philip had invaded Greece, and Chaeronea the Macedonians met the alliance of Greek city states. Alexander was put in command of the cavalry, the most important part of the army. Phillip's plan of battle was superb, and Alexander played his part perfectly. THE MACEDONIAN VICTORY WAS COMPLETE. THE GREEKS HAD LITTLE OPTION BUT TO SUBMIT TO PHILIP, AND HE FORCED THEM TO SIGN A TREATY BRINGING THEM TOGETHER IN AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS THE LEAGUE OF CORINTH. Phillip got himself elected president of the league of and supreme general for the war he now planned to wage against the Persian Empire." (p.18-9 my capitals)

Or to put it in simple, the Macedonian King, Philip II, wages war on the Greek City states, defeats and rules them. Or, Macedonia RULES Greece in 338 BC and the Macedonian(Not Greek) Empire is established. But, modern historians who are politically and ideologically Greek inclined would have us believe that this somehow was a Greek or Hellenic or Elladian Empire?? Which is not history but modern politics!

"THE MACEDONIAN ARMY
...There were many other troops in the Macedonian army. EACH NATIONALITY OR GROUP UNDER MACEDONIAN CONTROL HAD ITS OWN STYLE OF FIGHTING...(p. 22 my capitals)

"Early in the spring of 334 B.C. Alexander crossed into Asia minor at the head of his army. He had with him a force of 32,000 infantry and 5,100 cavalry. OF THE INFANTRY, 12,000 WERE MACEDONIAN PIKEMEN AND AN EQUAL NUMBER WERE GREEK INFANTRY MEN. MOST OF THE REMAINING 8,000 INFANTRY WERE ARCHERS. THERE WERE 1,800 MACEDONIAN CAVALRY. THE REST OF THE CAVALRY WERE FROM THE MACEDONIAN TERRITORIES. ALTHOUGH THE MACEDONIANS WERE THE ELITE FORCES, THE WHOLE ARMY WAS WELL TRAINED AND WELL EQUIPPED." (p. 37 my capitals)

It is also worth noting here, that Alexander the Great crosses into Asia, with a multi-ethnic or as,Bernard Rendall refers, multi-national army of Greeks and Macedonians, with the Macedonians being the elite and controlling force. And again,
Not as some historians and politicians will let us believe and take us into Greek mythology of a Greek or Hellenic Army, under the control of Alexander III, somehow fighting for the glory of Greece?

And the last quote which is very interesting:

" According to Arrian, there were 20,000 Persian cavalry, and an equal number of GREEK MERCENERIES(SOLDIERS FOR HIRE) IN THE PERSIAN ARMY." (p.39 my capitals)



I' will let my Greek speaking Macedonian bloggers comment on the fact that there were close as many Greek mercenaries in the Persian as there were in the Greek soldiers in the Macedonian Army?

So according the Scottish Ancient Historian, Ancient Macedonia was Not purely Greek, either culturally or nationally, or militarily and it is a fact that before Alexander's conquest in Asia, the Greek City States become part of the MACEDONIAN EMPIRE, and a ruled by Macedonian Dynasty starting of by Phillip II of Macedon who also allowed many educational and cultural influences into Macedonia by the Macedonian philosopher and Alexander's tutor Aristotle.

Or, Neigbours do, and have been learining from each other for thousands of years...and this is true of the Balkans peoples too! :-)

Orthodox Christian Greetings from Down Under!

Makedonija na Makedoncite!
Makedonia for the Makedonians!
FREEDOM TO QUEUBEC / QUEBEC LIBRE!

[Pelister]

He is a grecophile.

The Macedonian language was related to Greek

All the empirical evidence suggests otherwise.

[Makedonian]

History says: Ancient Makedonia is Not Greek -3-

As far as "one cultural group" goes ....
We can't be sure of that. But the EU is trying to present itself nowadays as one cultural group nowadays and we know this is a farce. Even merely trying to group the Latin or Germanic nations is being optimistic.

I get your point Risto.

I also had reservations, when the ancient historian Bernard Rendall,because in his book Alexander the Great:Macedonian King and Conqueror(2004) he lumps the ancient Macedonians and Greeks, I think - but I am not sure, into one European cultural group when he compares them with the Asian(Persia) and African(Egypt) cultures, but explicitly says that they saw themselves as distinct Macedonian and Greek peoples!

I admire Bernard, as a historian because he clealry admits the lack of factual evidence and sources on Ancient Macedonian History in Alexander's time when he says: 'Although several men who went on Alexander's campaigns with him wrote accounts of what happened, at the time or soon afterward, these original sources disappeared soon afterward. all that we have available to us are are the works of later writers, who used the original sources to produce their own versions of the life of Alexander. '(p.11)

Or as one archaeologist recently stated when investigating the Maya culture in South America: 'Archeology is 20% artifacts, 30% speculation and 50% mythology' I think this can also be said of the classical Greek and Macedonian periods.

I myself prefer Modern History, where there is much more documentation and evidence,maybe just as much speculation, and less mythology.

Orthodox Christian greetings from Down Under!

Makedonija na Makedoncite!
Makedonia for the Makedonians!
FREEDOM TO QUEBEC / QUEBEC LIBRE!